Yea i agree with you limp, and let's say having 8 fetched, and playing then nets you more hp with coursers, than you would lose + deck manipulation and that statistic is not bogus but i don't agree with it 100%. If you play 4 fetched during 1 game, that equals to 8 lands, meaning you have less chances of drawing unneeded lands, but that is just my opinion.

Yeah I agree that fetches do not play as heavy of a role as some would have you believe, in terms of "thinning." But I can't see how taking 8 cards out of a 60 card deck, plus the 7 opening cards, plus the five cards drawn (by turn 5) doesn't help you draw gas instead of lands. Yes you may still draw a land, but I feel better knowing that my odds HAVE to be better. Either way, I run the fetches for manipulation rather than thinning. It helps you combo off when the card you will draw is known.

Have you considered using Abundance? In an odd way, it almost reduces the need for fetch lands and the like. Not to mention the fact that you could use Abundance to "space" your Primal Surges as far from each other as possible with its "scry-like" aspect.

Hmmmm... This is interesting. I use Abundance in several commander decks and I don't know why I haven't considered it here. Would you suggest one or two copies? The problem, like many of the other suggested cards is that it doesn't help me win "quickly". Like it doesn't hit the board and immediately facilitate a win condition. Things like nykthos, overgrowth, utopia sprawl, Garruk, eidolon... These guys hit the field and often allow me to win in the same turn.. Abundance seems to be good in a mid/late game where I don't want to be flooded.

However, if you play the deck you will see that this is an unusual position to be in as you are almost always ahead of your opponent in mana and there are so many ways to win with this deck. People overlook Garruks ultimate so often and if I don't have a surge or eldrazi in hand, he still puts them on a 1 turn clock with just a few little dudes on the field.

I will most certainly play test a copy or two of Abundance to see what happens. Thank you guys for all the +1s and suggestions! I never would have imagined that the deck would go 100+! Keep it up and I hope you have seen the same success I have with the deck!

So just as a clarification, when Primal Surge is going off, and you have Courser of Kruphix in play, do you get to see the card on top of your library BEFORE you choose to put the permanent onto the battlefield? Or no?

Like of I have Courser in play and I cast the Surge. I exile the top card. Before I choose to put it onto the battlefield, do I reveal the next card on top of my library?

Yes, since Primal Surge says "Exile the top card of your library" and Courser of Kruphix says "Play with the top card of your library revealed" the way it works is Primal Surge exiles the top one, meaning you have a new top card of your library so it is revealed.

@ IzzetGod, Yes. The Courser of Kruphix is static and the the top card is always revealed. Therefore, before you exile a card to Primal Surge it must first become the top card of your library.

jdawg63000 yeah I was hoping it was like that. That way you don't exile your other copies of Primal Surge.

Let's say that you have a Courser of Kruphix and a Wooded Foothills in play when you cast Primal Surge. As you are exiling cards off the top of your library, Courser of Kruphix reveals that the next card you will exile is another Primal Surge. Can you activate the Wooded Foothills in order to shuffle your library before the Primal Surge on top of your library gets exiled, stopping your chain?

zentay98 no you cannot do that because Wooded Foothills uses the stack, you'd need to wait for Primal Surge to fully finish resolving in order to Fetch (you can pay the 1 life and sacrifice it, but you can't search your deck until the Surge is over).

Ok lets say we have a 60 card deck with 22 lands in it. Each draw from the beginning has a 37% chance to be a land. So lets say that you have 8 fetches in the deck. Each draw has a 13.3% chance to be a fetch. Let's also say you've drawn your opening hand and in the first 4 turns you've drawn 1 card per turn, odds are you've picked up 1 or 2 fetches, lets say 2. After cracking them both, you now have 47 cards remaining in the deck, 16 are lands. You should've drawn 4 lands total. So at that point your chances of the next card being a land are 34%. If they had all been non-fetches, your chances of land draws would be 37%. I've always known the difference was small with the thinning but every little bit helps and with the randomness of the game, that top card can make all the difference so I'll take all the help I can get

I would run wild growth rather than abundant growth, maybe both?

I don't believe Wild Growth is modern legal. Or else I would absolutely run it.

+1 for impressive victories, and for very intelligent playtest reporting, card in/exclusion rationale, and for smartly listening to the community with respect (whether or not their individual ideas are applicable, you show gratitude and defend your eventual decision). A template for others' (and my) future decks shared on tappedout.net.

Comix, thank you. It means a lot that you even took the time to check out my build. But to have gone to the trouble of reading all the comments to get a feel for who I am, thank you. I am relatively new to magic (3 years or so) so I know that there are people with far more knowledge and that there are always unexplored pathways in deck building. Having a few thousand more sets of eyes really helps with focusing the deck. I appreciate all the help this far and hope to see the deck become even more popular!

I love the deck and I'm thankful you've put this together. I've played it in 3 events and really enjoy how it plays. I've found it is super weak to Kiki chord and abzhan company. I modified the sideboard but have kept your original main. My side (prior to my next change) is: +3 bloodmoon, +2 trinishphere for -1 choke, -3 Ooze, -1 nylea's disciple. I do think torpor orb could help a lot against the combo decks and doesn't hurt us too bad since eidolon can still trigger off the non creature ones. Thoughts from others piloting it?

I like the Blood Moon in the side. I will test that out.

Umm... Eidolon of Blossoms is not a "may" trigger, so you will likely deck yourself about half the time you cast Primal Surge.

Read the comments. That has been addressed at least 3 times. While Eidolon of Blossoms is not a May ability, Primal Surge is.

Sorry, limpNuZZle, I didn't realize people had already mentioned this, but do you mean that you just have to count the triggers to make sure you don't completely draw your deck?

@HunterAura, First, yes you would count your triggers. If you have multiple eidolons coming into play it can get more difficult to track. Realistically you'll be able to cut your primal surge off once your're comfortable with the board state. Second, more often than not it seems you don'the actually cast primal surge and your opponent scoops to an Eldrazi titan either revealed from courser or cast into play.

I'm pretty sure Abundant Growth doesn't ramp you at all. I think Fertile Ground would work better in this deck.

Hey guys so just to keep you posted on the lols I have been having with the deck... I haven't been running into a tremendous amount of infect. So for a brief period of time, I swapped out 3 Melira, Sylvok Outcast for 3 Villainous Wealth in the side. So game one they see all the crazy stuff going on and they tend to name Primal Surge and Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger with all of their hate. SO! We take all the bs out for the wealths! Keep the Emrakul, the Aeons Torn for mill protection. You almost always have the BU mana to cast it and your opponent will never see it coming! Check out my "mono green mill?" Deck on my page to see why I love Villainous Wealth so much. I played the shit out of that card in theros KTK standard.

Nice

So you take out primal surges and ulamogs to try and use wealths?