Primal Devotion CAST YOUR DECK ON T3

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zentay98 says... #1

I love this deck. It is super awesome. So awesome that I am building it myself. I made just a couple changes, but not much at all. Anyway, I was wondering if you could go into detail about each of the cards in your sideboard. You know, what you side out in different match ups, why certain cards are there, etc.

March 13, 2016 8:15 p.m.

limpNuZZle says... #2

Yes, I can do that. In fact, I will try to do a complete card-by-card overview coming soon. Thanks for the +1

March 13, 2016 8:44 p.m.

yghorbb says... #3

Why not run 1 Reliquary Tower ?

In case you can not 1-hit kill the oponnent, you will still be able to hold your whole hand...And that's doesn't even enters tapped...I think that should help a little bit.

March 17, 2016 11:19 a.m.

limpNuZZle says... #4

There is never a time when Reliquary Tower would have been helpful to me in a game. If you sleeve the deck up, you'll know what I mean. You either hard cast a win condition, or surge into a board state that allows you to combo off and draw/cast your entire deck. I already have Ghost Quarter, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, and Kessig Wolf Run that do not produce green mana on turn one so I really need to maximize my forests. T1 green mana is essential to winning games with this deck, more often than not. Thank you for the suggestion! +1 always appreciated.

March 17, 2016 12:21 p.m.

Chino90 says... #5

Very nice deck. One question, though: Do you play the Wooded Foothills and the Stomping Ground just to activate the Kessig Wolf Run? Is it that necessary? Because if you cut those out for, say, forests, we are talking of a $95 drop of the price in the deck, making it more attractive to budget players.

March 20, 2016 1:33 p.m.

limpNuZZle says... #6

The purpose of the foothills has been questioned several times and it's more than just activating wolf run. However, budget players can absolutely replace them with forests, or event he much less expensive Windswept Heath. Honestly, this is pretty budget for modern already. I have been in a position where I had so much mana available but couldn't quite find a finisher. Wolf run is real good in this case. It doesn't win every game but it has proven useful enough times for me to keep it in.

Thanks for checking it out! +1 always appreciated

March 20, 2016 1:43 p.m.

You can always count on Utopia Sprawl or Abundant Growth for the red, most playtests have at least one of them on the field in the first few turns.

limpNuZZle I know you can appreciate a devotion combo deck, would you check out my Sultai Toolbox w/ Devotion, Infinite Mana + Untaps and see if you have any suggestions on improvements? Id really appreciate it

March 21, 2016 12:31 p.m.

Chino90 says... #8

I was thinking, you can get a similar effect with a card like Craterhoof Behemoth, which is also very common in elf ramp decks. That way, you can save a lot of money. An even cheaper version is Stampeding Elk Herd

March 21, 2016 1:24 p.m.

Craterhoof Behemoth is a good card if it shows up AFTER a bunch of other creatures, but if it shows up within the first few turns it isn't as strong of a threat as Ulamog, ceaseless hunger, because you may only have 2 other creatures out. As limpNuZZle mentioned in an earlier post, opponents may scoop when they see Ulamog or Emrakul on top of the deck with Courser of Kruphix out, Craterhoof may not work as well with that. Does Primal Surge technically resolve all at once, allowing you to order the etb triggers as you like, or do they just stack up in order as they come out?

March 21, 2016 3:21 p.m.

limpNuZZle says... #10

You get to choose. As you put permanents into play, you choose targets for the land enchantments immediately. Then before the spell resolves, you sac and legends that you have multiples of. Then the spell resolves and you stack all of the draw and life gain triggers.

March 21, 2016 6:17 p.m.

limpNuZZle says... #11

Also, Craterhoof Behemoth is a viable card for sure. But it's just another way to win. I have chosen my ways to win already. As I have said in previous comments.. The deck is in many ways, just and engine. There is a small percentage (maybe 5 cards plus the 4 garruks) that actually win the game for you. Take them out in exchange for other win conditions if you like.. The outcome will likely be the same. Hydra Broodmaster, Worldspine Wurm, etc are other decent finishers. But I chose fat eldrazi a with gnarly etb triggers and annihilator and shit! Haha

March 21, 2016 6:22 p.m.

Chino90 says... #12

I suggested those cards because they do almost the same that Kessig Wolf Run for much less money.

March 21, 2016 7:55 p.m.

limpNuZZle says... #13

Yeah I feel you. Honestly though, I'm just not concerned with making the deck more or less budget. I built it out of cards I already possessed and then realized after the fact that it was surprisingly budget compared to much of the opposing modern decks. So I welcome budget players who like the deck to add/subtract cards in exchange for a more reasonable price tag. I just wanna get it out there to the community bc the strategy is so fun and goldfishy! haha thanks for the support and +1s!

March 21, 2016 8:18 p.m.

If you have a lot of mana you can use Polukranos, World Eater as a good way to remove enemy creatures rather than worry about trample. After everything from a typical Primal Surge resolves you can probably make enough mana to send out 30 damage to however many creatures you want. Plus he's not a bad card to hard cast on turn 2

March 22, 2016 12:48 p.m.

Titilanious says... #15

Actually played against this online yesterday, pretty neat deck. +1 from me

March 22, 2016 1 p.m.

limpNuZZle says... #16

Sweet! Was it me or someone else playing it??

March 22, 2016 2:23 p.m.

Freeble says... #17

March 22, 2016 11:17 p.m.

enzomayhem says... #18

This deck seems like a lot of fun! I can't wait to sleeve this up for myself! First I would like to know what are the decks worse matchups that you have been experiencing? Thank you.

March 22, 2016 11:42 p.m.

limpNuZZle says... #19

Worst match ups are faster combo decks like goryos vengeance. The turn three win is somewhat consistent but the normal is 4-6 and that is a difficult few turns in modern, regardless of the deck. Also, any serious hand hate puts us top decking pretty quickly. There is a lot of card draw to hit, but it's magic and we all know you can still whiff. Land destruction totally puts you out of the game, luckily no one plays that competitively. However the more realistic LD like Ghost Quarter is still problematic. I usually go all in on one land with my enchantments until I see that my opponents are running the hate and then I diversify.

In short, fast combo decks, aggressive hand disruption, and land destruction are the weaknesses, but all still manageable.

As for the Craterhoof Behemoth comment, I hear ya. It's a good card, but I'm not running it. By the time I have enough creatures for him to be relevant, I am already winning. This isn't elfball. Notice my creature count. I prefer to hit the more consistent threats.

I have been utilizing the quadrant theory when evaluating my card selection. Consider that the four phases of a game are developmental, parody (board stall), winning (the process of), and losing (imminently). Craterhoof Behemoth can take me from parody to winning or from winning to winning more. Rarely can it take me from losing to winning and it cannot take me from developmental to winning as I will simply not have the board state required.

Now, the eldrazi Titans are bombs at every phase. I have the ability to cast them in the developmental stage (t3-5) which transitions me into winning rather abruptly. I can cast them in parody which turns the tables into my favor. I can cast them when losing and either transition back into parody by stalling the board or just win. And of course it is also great at taking me from winning to winning more.

I hope this has been sufficient reasoning for my omission of the card. I am a green mage and I LOVE craterhoof! But it's just not the card for MY iteration of the deck. I have said in previous comments for others to run the card. I believe it will work well. But it doesn't do what I want the deck to do.

March 23, 2016 7:13 a.m.

henrytessa says... #20

so i can buy this deck for $170? why is that so cheap compared to TCG player?

March 23, 2016 7:15 p.m.

limpNuZZle says... #21

Because that's the magic the gathering online price. Tickets as opposed to dollars.

March 23, 2016 8:54 p.m.

henrytessa says... #22

...darn...

March 23, 2016 9:23 p.m.

KaraZorEl says... #23

Nylea's Disciple is a good card, but it's too slow for Modern. I recommend Leyline of Lifeforce and/or Defense Grid. I would personally take out one of the Ulamogs for a Blightsteel Colossus.

March 24, 2016 11:33 a.m.

PG7m says... #24

+1!

Love these decks. I'm playing with a different version proxied up to see if I want to invest to play this as my modern deck. It runs a lot of the same cards. Great List. Good luck!

March 24, 2016 11:40 a.m.

limpNuZZle says... #25

KaraZorEl, thank you! I will definitely test out those cards. Defense grid seems real legit. The leyline does too. Idk why I never thought of running it. That's probably just better than choke. Why worry about their lands stayin tapped when I just make my stuff uncounterable. Nice!

PG7m, thanks for the +1! I love this deck. I really don't see it winning any events or anything, but it's just so fun. I feel bad sometimes because the deck is definitely not "casual" but it does lose to the degenerate t1 shit like affinity and Jund. Well anything that's just super hand disruption. So it's hard to find the right matchup haha

March 24, 2016 4:03 p.m.

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