[Primer] Colored Mana is for the Weak
Commander / EDH*
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Decrepit_Angel says... #2
Thanks. This has definitely been a pet deck of mine over the years.
Winter Orb is less useful in cEDH as those decks also tend to run less lands in favor of random mana rocks and mana dorks. It is still reasonably useful but it underperforms when compared to the rest of the stax effects the deck runs.
I actually cover why I think Kozilek, Butcher of Truth is significantly stronger than Kozilek, the Great Distortion in the (admittedly outdated) primer. I'll copy it here for convenience:
Kozilek, the Great Distortion: This is one I have had many arguments about and have even run as a commander for a while. His ability to counter spells is weirdly relevant, he does fun shenanigans with Silent Arbiter effects, and he can situationally draw you more card than the Butcher can. However, that is exactly his downfall. He situationally draws you more cards. Draw X where X = a number between 0 and 7 is not as good as draw 4. If the game goes long and you finally cast Kozilek with 7 dead cards already in hand, drawing 0 for 10 mana is unacceptable. This has cost me many games and forces the deck to run bad enablers such as discard outlets to ditch bad cards. Butcher will always draw you 4 cards, Distortion will not.
Additionally, Butcher goes wins on the spot with infinite mana and a sacrifice outlet whereas Distortion does not. Butcher in the command zone also means that any card in the library can be looped an arbitrary number of times (with infinite mana) permitting Mindslaver hard locks, arbitrary amount of permanent removal with Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger (sacrifice him, shuffle with Kozilek, draw him again, cast and repeat) and much more. He even provides other weird random benefits such as preventing you from decking out when playing against mill decks (or just one of the various cEDH decks that wins by milling you with Brain Freeze. Distortion is a very fun card, but objectively weaker as a commander. I even stopped playing him in the 99 and maybe 1 in every 30 games (typically when Drannith Magistrate is involved) do I ever even find myself missing him.
May 3, 2022 12:19 a.m.
derekmoore95 says... #3
When you have infinite mana & ashnod's, what card(s) do you loop for the win?
Profet93 says... #1
Decrepit_Angel
Well, you've certainly done a good job of creating this lovely piece of work. I agree with the overwhelming majority of what you said. I also love utilizing mind slaver effects! Dont forget, rings + mindslaver = good times!
Surprised I missed torpor orb. Yes, cursed totem is not as helpful in cEDH as most decks rarely utilize activated abilities aside from mana dorks primarily and a few key cards here and there, very meta dependent. Winter orb not working? Is it because everyone else has so much artifact and mana dorks that it makes it less impactful? I would figure given all of your artifact ramp, it should make u go pretty far ahead.
NGL, I think Great Distortion > OG Koz . I prefer refilling my hand fully and being able to counter spells is just too good. Annihilator is powerful, dont get me wrong. But something about countering their pact of negation with a land, their swords to plowshare with a sol ring just really tickles my fancy. Being able to bluff interaction is key, and top makes it easier to find a card to counter with. Not saying to switch or anything, just giving my 2 cents.
May 2, 2022 10:01 p.m.