Wow i'm stupid XD wrote those last changes at 3 am, where it said minds desire I entirely meant Past in Flames.

Hey @ Natux, this deck is very close to my own but I play a little bit for removal because of the amount of hate in my meta. To get tot the pointIis there a reason you run Mox Opal . When you would almost rather see any other 0 CMC cards then a rock that might not be able to turn on? I'm just wondering if this has been a problem for u like it is for me.

Hey BATUECK. Yes, mox opal can sometimes be a problem because the deck doesn't run that many other artifacts. Generally when connecting with Yidris we're almost guaranteed to have enough artifacts to turn it on. I wouldn't remove it that quickly because at the very least it's another good fast mana rock we can turn on later and it doesn't have any other downsides. You can also keep it in your hand for stormcount if you really need to.

If your deck runs even fewer than 14 artifacts then I would consider removing it, or adding a few other artifacts you might think fit the deck. Personally, I'd rather add a few more artifacts because fast mana is incredibly important.

If people removing Yidris is often a problem I would personally remove some of the cascade cards before cutting mox opal, since these are generally worse in non-Yidris games.

Wheel of Fate and Underworld Breach is an auto win for the most part for 2 mana... New combo that arguably works in yidris because yidris can kind of use wheel of fate through Cascade.

Hey alex13436,

Just to be clear: You cannot cast wheel of fate from your graveyard through underworld breach. Uncastable + exiling three cards is still uncastable. (ask your local judge, or just look around on the internet)

If you mean that wheeling and throwing more cards in your graveyard is good for underworld breach then I obviously agree! I still don't like including it then though, as it isn't really needed.

I love the deck, and I suspect this is the wrong train of thought, but have you considered running Mox Tantalite? Obviously casting it for its suspend cost or topdecking it is awful, but, as mentioned with the mana rocks, cascading into it with Yidris seems very good.

Hey Cipheus,

Mox tantalite is in the notable exclusions section. It simply isn't worth the slot because it doesn't do anything without Yidris and even with Yidris the payoff isn't that high. The turn you're hitting with Yidris should be the turn you're trying to win, getting a permanent mox doesn't help with that.

Is it possible to make a budget Yidris storm that is at least semi competitive?

Hey Armadillo656,

Everything can be made on a budget, it all depends on what powerlevel you eventually want the deck to be. Both four colour decks and storm as an archetype are quite hard on a budget as you really need the correct colours and correct combination of fast mana and draw spells.

If you're interested in budget alternatives then I would recommend looking through the 'Notable exclusions' section and through comparable decklists. It depends on your exact budget and what you want to change which resource fits better. For example: Painlands and horizon lands are often fine alternatives for dual lands, but in that case cards like high tide, arbor elf and utopia sprawl might need to be cut. If you don't have the budget for most of the fast mana then you're likely better off playing a different deck or accepting that the deck cannot be played in competitive pods. It's hard to provide budget alternatives that don't directly impact the rest of the deck, which is the main reason I don't include it as a section in my primer.

You are more than welcome to join the Yidris discord (https://discord.gg/RVE3Yxg) for discussing specific cuts and additions.

hello I'm building this deck aiming to win via Aetherflux Reservoir so pretty much a storm deck. I can't afford Timetwister nor the revised dual lands, so what do you think would be a good replacement for the twister and also, should I run High Tide anyway considering I'm not running the dual lands? thanks

Hey pitan77,

As I mentioned to the previous user, horizon and pain lands are an excellent alternative to dual lands. I have the feeling that you run a little too few islands for high tide to be still worth it, but you can always test it.

In regards to timetwister, that's a hard card to lose for the storm variant as it is actively used in several backup wincons. I wouldn't try to replicate the effect, most cards in that regard are not as good. I would simply swap timetwister for the next best card, even if it's not comparable at all. You'll then just have to accept the fact that you lose access to certain lines, although they could be done hard-mode with noxious revival and regrowth effects.

The idea of "Song of Creation" is a great one. I'm going to try to emulate it.

Hey Natux I was wondering if you could elaborate on the time twister loops that are possible with yidris? I would like to do something that ideally wins with Lightning Bolt but im not sure how the loop itself works.

Hey Arzon112, timetwister loops are rather inconsistent with Yidris, especially compared to other decks. That's one of the reasons I removed the whole segment from the primer.

What you can do is use cards like Mind's desire and Tainted pact to exile unwanted cards from your library, use tutors and draw effects to find timetwister and a card like lightning bolt. Because of the high amount of mana-positive spells in the deck, the chances of you being able to do that again is decent. If you hit enough mana positive spells each time you go through your deck (and remember, this should get easier each time because you're exiling unwanted cards) you could kill everyone with something like a lightning bolt.

The odds of an opponent drawing into something in the meantime is decent as well, that's where notion thief helps. The combo gets even easier if you have infinite mana beforehand, so you could use dockside loops for that.

But, like I said, this is a real backup scenario that likely will not happen in most games, just something to look out for in those one in a million games where all your other wincons are stopped. I haven't even run timetwister in a long time any more because it synergizes badly with cards like Underworld breach, Yawgmoth's will and more, which are integral for the deck's success.

What do you search with Gamble ? it seems risky to grab a wincon; do you always search for graveyard recurion if you have none in hand?