Prossh, the Combo Hungry [Primer]

Commander / EDH TheDracogenius

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TheDracogenius says... #1

Now that you mention it: Phyrexian Reclamation seems like a card that solves a lot of problems this deck has! Living Death would be cool to have, but there are some Meren decks running around at my LGS, and the other cards you mention are once again a tiny bit to slow. Dropping the Reclamation turn one is probably just straight up card advantage, especially with easy to kill things like Reclamation Sage or Eternal Witness to repeatedly get their etb effects! This gives the deck some resiliance and a way to balance out a lack of card draw.

March 28, 2016 5:31 p.m.

of course, keep in mind that a lot of those cards fit into more dedicated reanimator decks but Phyrexian Reclamation is good in just about any creature based deck. Good flavor text too. Instead of mana dorks I run things like Lotus Petal, Deathrite Shaman, Bloom Tender, and Awakening Zone by the way, you were wondering what would be more durable but sadly there aren't many options besides expensive artifacts, Exploration effects, or Awakening Zone / From Beyond. Playing Voyaging Satyr might be good depending on what your mana base is like, it does gross things with Cabal Coffers or Gaea's Cradle.

March 28, 2016 5:47 p.m.

TheDracogenius says... #3

Gaea's Cradle is obviously broken, so of I would own one I would probably run the satyr too. Bloom Tender is really nice, but since there will most likely only be green permanents on the field when I need his ramp the most, his upside is not that high for me. If I ever pull all nine fetchlands together, Deathrite Shaman will jump up higher in my priority list. Cabal Coffers is interesting. I already have the other part of the combo in Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, but since I have only 5 cards that count as Swamp in my deck I fear that this deck might not support it all that well.

March 28, 2016 6:02 p.m.

I am a mono black mage at heart so it's an auto include in most of my decks. It might not be right for this deck since 3 colors is really color intensive. I feel on the Gaea's Cradle, I wish I had a Nether Void but life is unfair. Deathrite Shaman is insane if people run fetches, but acts as a Scavenging Ooze nonetheless.

March 28, 2016 6:12 p.m.

aggro-crag says... #5

I am about to put together a Proossh deck myself. I was planning to include Mogis, God of Slaughter and was curious why you did not include him?

June 5, 2016 4 a.m.

DasTree says... #6

I wouldn't run Mogis because the 2 damage only effects 1 player. And in EDH 2 damage to 1 person is relatively nothing. But something like Purphorous, God of The Forge that deals 2 damage to each player when ever a creature enters is much more valuable. Mogis would work really well in a Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck.

June 5, 2016 8 a.m.

DasTree says... #7

I wouldn't run Mogis because the 2 damage only effects 1 player. And in EDH 2 damage to 1 person is relatively nothing. But something like Purphorous, God of The Forge that deals 2 damage to each player when ever a creature enters is much more valuable. Mogis would work really well in a Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck.

June 5, 2016 8 a.m.

aggro-crag says... #8

It effects every opponent every time it is their upkeep.So once it comes back to your upkeep all opponents have lost two life. It's also automatic. independent of whether or not any other spells have been cast. Also, they may sac a creature which could be a bigger benefit. Losing 2 life every turn adds up in any game. I rarely play a creature every turn, nor am I able to do so during each opponents upkeep. I'd say mogis will do more potential damage. Would run purphorous as well. Wasn't suggesting the two be swapped. Just curious as to why Mogis was omitted. Would work well with the Lord of Riots though.

June 5, 2016 9:19 a.m.

DasTree says... #9

No I wasn't saying swap the 2. Purph is an auto include. Stupid good with Prossh. I was just saying I didn't see Mogis as a strong addition to a Prossh deck. But that is my own 2 cents. Good thing about EDH is that you can use virtually any card out there. So trial and error is always the best way. There is no perfect exact science.

June 5, 2016 11:38 a.m.

I actually had Mogis in the deck for a brief period of time, but I took him out immediatly. His two damage triggers stack up, but it is not your primary win condition with this deck. You either go big or go home. The last thing you want to be is the guy that pings everyone for two damage each turn, because you will be a lighhtning rod for hate at the table. Getting devotion for him to activate could also prove to be quite difficult and with limited space and many cards I desparately want to include but can't seem to find a spot for Mogis just falls flat to me. In a pressure deck I could see him do massive work, but I want to end the game as quickly as possible and taking a break to cast a card that does not further my overall strategy doesn't feel right to me.

June 15, 2016 12:24 p.m.

Deruvid says... #11

Thanks for sharing your list, +1

I'm working on making my Prossh list more competitive, so I definitely got some good ideas here. Mine is still more token-oriented than combo-based but I do like some of the strong synergies you introduced.

June 15, 2016 4:28 p.m.

I noticed you don't have any dual lands in the deck, and I'm guessing it's because of budget reasons. Could you please make a section in the description where you would list what cards you can use if you have the money for them, and what cards you would take out? Thanks! Also, I love the deck, +1.

June 25, 2016 1:26 p.m.

Thund3r_C0ugar I already have that section. Possible Inclusions, Possible Cuts and why I do not run some specific cards. The last section of the primer deals with that stuff. Thanks for your positive feedback, I really appreciate it :D

June 25, 2016 1:51 p.m.

Ah, must have missed it, my bad. Thank you!

June 26, 2016 1:06 a.m.

Hyrkh says... #15

+1ed! Looks awesome, just recently transformed a Gruul deck into a Prossh deck. Really missed having that sweet Jund EDH deck

August 14, 2016 10:23 a.m.

Thank you for the positive feedback Hyrkh, Prossh really is a blast to play with! Regardless which strategy you pick for your deck, with Prossh it can only be an awesome deck! That is probably the best part about him. He can be highly competetive, fine tuned and combo centric but can also be played in other fun ways!

August 14, 2016 11:48 a.m.

Onnek says... #17

+1 for me.This decks looks awesome and really fun! Have you consider Cryptolith Rite or what are your thoughts abolut it??? or Fresh Meat to refill your sacrificed creatures. Gratz and thanx for the deck ideas.

August 22, 2016 4:14 p.m.

Thank you Onnek for the positive feedback. In my opinion Earthcraft is way better than the Cryptolith Rite, as it allows you to tap summoning sick creatures for mana, which is very important and means that you can immediatly get the mana you used to cast Prossh back off the kobolds he generates. Also the infinite combo with Squirrel Nest is worth noting. Cryptolith is certainly good, but a turn to slow for my taste. Fresh Meat is awesome, but with this deck there is just no room for it. I often times only sacrifice my creatures to Prossh when I go in for the kill, at which point Fresh Meat does not help me as much. In order for the deck to be consistant I need redundancy and cards that are either game winnig or set up a game winning play, Fresh Meat requires a very specific scenario to work properly, which would lower my consistancy and the speed of the deck. In a more attrition based or heavier token build of Prossh it would be one of the best cards indeed. Thanks for the suggestions though.

August 22, 2016 4:30 p.m.

WiffleWaffle says... #19

Have you thought about using Azusa, Lost but Seeking over Courser of Kruphix?

I've heard Skullmulcher is really good in Prossh decks too.

August 23, 2016 9:25 a.m.

Thanks for the suggestions soymonk. Courser of Kruphix is just a placeholder card anyway. Azusa is great, but I feel like I do not have enough lands in my deck that she would be worth playing. The Courser gets cards off the top of my deck, which is card advantage, while Azusa only grants you card parody.If anything I would probably include Burgeoning as it can come down on turn one and is way harder to remove. Skullmulcher is very nice, I will probably check it out and see if it fits into the strategy.

August 23, 2016 1:10 p.m.

WiffleWaffle says... #21

Burgeoning is an excellent choice.

Skullmulcher seems neat in theory. I haven't tried it out yet, but you can use it to devour as many of your infinite Kobolds as you'd like when it enter the battlefield to draw through your deck and use the infinite creature-only mana from Food Chain to cast all the fatties.

August 23, 2016 2:48 p.m.

Emzed says... #22

Shaman of Forgotten Ways is both a solid accelerator and a win condition. I play him myself in my Prossh deck and like him a lot. Also, i prefer Chancellor of the Forge to Avenger of Zendikar in this archetype, the Chancellor provides hasty tokens which makes a Tooth and Nail kill involving Craterhoof Behemoth so much easier.
Personally, i play Read the Bones and Fecundity over Phyrexian Arena. Both are able to quickly give you access to the cards on top of your deck, whereas Arena needs a couple of turns to really get going. Since Prossh is usually really fast, i don't think Arena does enough.
Food Chain is absurdly powerful with Prossh, so Dimir Machinations is probably good enough to make the cut as an additonal tutor (i don't play Food Chain myself, so no experience with the card).
Ancient Tomb and Shizo, Death's Storehouse are two great lands, they would certainly be good additions to your list.

August 24, 2016 8:31 p.m.

Thanks for the suggestions Emzed. I agree with you about the Arena. I have thought of replacing it with Painful Truths as I often value the extra card more than a Scry 2, as this deck is quite reckless and can get empty handed quickly.

Chancellor of the Forge is interesting, but I value the Avenger of Zendikar higher for it can come down on an empty board and grow a huge army all by itself. Its landfall ability is not to be underaestimated. The Cancellor needs Prossh to be on the field to even have a chance of generating as much tokens as the Avenger. I rarely use Tooth and Nail to get Avenger and Craterhoof Behemoth as I might just grab Kiki Jiki and Conscripts instead to win the game on the spot. I value the flexibility and long term power of the Avenger higher than the potential aggressiveness of the Chancellor, and including both would feel a little unnecessary to me.

Food Chain is probably the most important card in the deck, but I feel like with the planned inclusion of Diabolic Intent I have more than enough ways to search it up.

Ancient Tomb is super strong and the sole reason I do not have one for this deck is that I was never able to trade for one. Shizo, Death's Storehouse is also great for the extra evasion that it gives.

Shaman of Forgotten Ways is very strong, but my three drop slot is a ready very stacked and at the moment I am trying to move my ramp sources from creature based ramp over to land based ramp, since I do not want to get blown out by a board wipe that easily anymore.

August 25, 2016 12:35 a.m.

Zakass says... #24

Have you considered Selvala, Heart of the Wilds? She is probably better than most of your creature based ramp. I read your previous comment so I know you dont want any more three drop ramp based creatures but she could be a good replacement for at least something.

September 5, 2016 1:39 p.m.

Thank you Zakass for strengthening my back on this. I actually discussed her inclusion in the deck with my playgroup at my LGS. I think she would perform great in he deck and could be very similar to Somberwald Sage, which is one of the best cards in the deck in my opinion, but the other players at my store disagreed, since they think that she is too slow and unreliable. Once I can get my hands on her card I will certainly try her out!

September 5, 2016 2:18 p.m.

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