Thanks heaps Scruffy.
yeh I strongly agree with most of your points. I've ordered in some Vampire Nighthawk , Stromkirk Captain , Bloodline Keeper Flip and Lightning Bolt . Stromkirk Noble is an amazing card but its so expensive so I added Pulse Tracker (temporary until I can get some Nobles). Vampire Nocturnus was out of stock for now.
I changed the deck type to casual and I'll change some more when my new cards come to see what you think.
just one thing though. why the Falkenrath Aristocrat ? I would need to add humans to my deck and sacrifice creatures?
February 26, 2013 4:20 a.m.
BobbertZhubert says... #3
On main problem I see with your deck is all the one ofs and two ofs. If you look at my deck, I got lots of 4 ofs and 3 ofs. This is all for consistency and to make sure your deck works the best. I know its fun having lots of options with lots of different cards, but your deck would not be any good that way.
So right now your decks need a focus to work the best. If you look at my deck,the focus is to deal the most damage in the most short amount of time. Every card in that deck is relevant and helps to reach our main goal of dealing the most damage in shortest amount of time.
So right now choose a focus for your deck. A main idea or goal you want to focus on.
Hope this helps. :)
February 27, 2013 6:24 a.m.
Thanks Bobbert.I'll update this by the end of the week hopefully
February 27, 2013 10:37 a.m.
fallingbomb says... #5
I would recommend Killing Wave. It has great synergy with Blood Artist. Either they pay the life to keep their creatures or sac them and lose life anyway. It's a good finisher. Also maybe Terminate over Dreadbore. Unless your casul playgroup has a lot of planeswalkers. Terminate is more unconditional creature kill because they can't be regenerated and it's the same cost as Dreadbore. With my vampire deck I stay away from anything that's not a black spell. Maybe it's black splash red like Olivia or terminate, but you really want to turn on your Nocturnus every chance you can get. I think the creature base you're considering is solid. Have fun with it!
February 28, 2013 11:07 p.m.
terminate is a great idea. Thanks.
But won't killing wave kill my creatures as well?
March 2, 2013 7:13 p.m.
fallingbomb says... #7
Killing wave will kill your creatures, yes. But consider it when used with blood artist, which is pretty much the only time you would use it and two out would be fantastic. Set x to two or three, with two blood artists out and three other cretures you control, sacrificing them all you are gaining ten life (5 of your creatures go to the graveyard time two blood artist) and your opponent is losing ten. That's not counting any creatures they sac, which would add on to blood artist's damage/lifegain, or alternatively they pay the life to keep their creature and are still losing life. I hope that's clear enough, I might have rambled there a bit.
March 2, 2013 11:26 p.m.
very clear and thanks. Killingwave is fairly cheap too so ill have to order some. Already got 4 blood artists on the way so ill update this deck with everyone's advice when the cards get here
March 3, 2013 2:36 a.m.
fallingbomb says... #9
The removal suite is sick. This looks like a lot of fun to play! +1
March 6, 2013 10:27 a.m.
SpicyTangerine says... #10
If you do end up getting more Vampire Nocturnus, I suggest making the deck mono-black. Vampire Nocturnus Really turns matches around in an instant, but to maximize it's potential mono-black helps a lot. I have two vampire decks, one is mono-black and the other mono-red. If you want to see the decks to help you gather strategies, let me know. I own both decks and have played both decks, neither of which has had any problems. Vampires are a great creature type to play with. They hit hard, and they hit fast!
March 6, 2013 11:45 a.m.
That would be really helpful. Thanks SpicyTangerine
And thanks fallingbomb I'll have to let you know how it goes. we usually play 3 players free-for-all but I can never win because everyone is afraid of the vampires getting to strong. This idea doesn't rely on damaging players for tokens so it might survive longer.
March 6, 2013 10:21 p.m.
SpicyTangerine says... #12
Just look for the two titles containing the word "Kyuketsuki" on my page. Both are vampire decks. One is mono-red and the other is mono-black. I run both of these decks quite often and the mono-black one is by far a lot stronger.
March 7, 2013 12:30 a.m.
SpicyTangerine says... #13
By the way, you are welcomed to play test both of the decks to feel how they run. See if you like them and if you do use what you like out of them. I have played a three player free-for-all with my mono-black vampire deck and the other two people did not stand a chance.
March 7, 2013 12:34 a.m.
ScruffyTheJanitor says... #14
March 8, 2013 10:35 a.m.
ScruffyTheJanitor says... #15
Also, I suggest Stromkirk Noble as a 1 drop for this deck. Since your converted mana cost is already below 4, you probably want to bump up the aggression.
March 8, 2013 10:37 a.m.
ScruffyTheJanitor says... #16
And I keep coming up with ideas, since this is going to be a casual deck. I like Mirri the Cursed as a 2 of in this deck as well. Really good aggression.
March 8, 2013 10:39 a.m.
Blade of the Bloodchief is a great card for any vampire deck, because while it is equiped to a vampire it gets 2 +1/+1 counters when a creature dies. Also Exquisite Blood, Sanguine Bond, and Curse of the Pierced Heart are great additions too. I also love Mephidross Vampire more than Rakish Heir since Mephidross Vampire has flying and makes creatures on your side of the field vampires if it is not already. With Captivating Vampire not only do other vampires get +1/+1, but also if you have 5 or more vampires you can tap only 5 (no more no less) vampires and take control of target opponent's creature and becomes black as well as vampire in addition to it's other colors and types. So it's sort of like Olivia Voldaren's ability, but with 5 vampires rather than 5 mana. Also Bloodlord of Vaasgoth is good as well since he gives bloodthirst 3 to every vampire you cast.
March 10, 2013 8:32 a.m.
Great points! I'm gonna try get some Dreadbore (probably 2 with 2 Terminate) and some Stromkirk Noble. but as much as I'd like to try that Blood Tribute combo, Sanguine Bond is too expensive for now.
How would I include 1x Bloodlord of Vaasgoth and 2x Exquisite Blood if you think that's a good idea? Since I already own those cards. And how would I include Stromkirk Noble. I'm not sure what to tke out of the current deck.
Blade of the Bloodchief is great too. Too many options :)
March 13, 2013 9:03 a.m.
shinobigarth says... #19
if you want to run any bloodthirst vamps, then run Curse of the Pierced Heart x4 for sure. it guarantees bloodthirst trigger at times when you might not have spells to hit them with or cant swing in with creatures. and if nothing else it puts them on a clock unless they can get rid of it. especially if you are thinking of Bloodlord of Vaasgoth , who is a pretty beasty bomb in vamp tribal.
no Stromkirk Noble , drop Incinerate , switch Terminate for Dreadbore whenever you can, sideboard 4 Doom Blade which you can switch with Go for the Throat when needed, sideboard 4 Blood Seeker for token or creature heavy matchups, then see about fitting in 3 or 4 Gatekeeper of Malakir which is one of the best vamps ever.
April 9, 2013 5:30 a.m.
shinobigarth says... #20
scratch that, forgot its only on their turn so you would have to have flash vampires for that to work. there are other recurring ping things you can look at for triggering bloodthirst over and over if you want
April 9, 2013 5:41 a.m.
LittleBlueHero says... #21
I love where you are trying to go with this.
However, I personally think you are ALL OVER THE PLACE trying to consider all these suggestions. All of these suggestions are valid for a ton of different decks. The question is what kind of deck do YOU want to play?
Right now you are still mono black enough to make a card like Vampire Nocturnus a viable option. But, if you add things like Stromkirk Noble and Blade of the Bloodchief you are hurting his effectiveness.
Also you said you need a way to get mana more conistently... best way is to add more. Since you are only running one spell over 4cmc I would suggest 22 land personally.
I would lose Incinerate and Lightning Bolt since they are red spells only and add two more land and as many more Nocturnus as you can get. He's more reliable than Bloodline Keeper Flip and almost always faster. I would cut down the Keeper to 2 copies and add in some Guul Draz Vampire if you want to be more aggressive or Gatekeeper of Malakir if you want to replace the control elements your burn provided.
I like the idea of an aggro "mono black" with the minor red splash or go more control and take out nocturnus all together and add in some hand manipulation like duress.
Since you are playing multiplayer most often your deck doesn't have to be incredibly fast or even curve out perfectly, but I would still avoid expensive cards like exquisite blood unless you are running an infinite combo...
sorry i feel like I could talk about vampire decks for days!
April 11, 2013 3:11 p.m.
shinobigarth says... #22
yeah gotta decide if you are running control vamps or just beef up punchy mouthy vamps.
personally i like Bloodline Keeper Flip over Vampire Nocturnus between the 2, but its your call. if you do go with Nocturnus, you gotta cut all spells that arent black, but you can add things like Blightning which would work great. if you like Bloodline Keeper you can always put in things to haste him, like maybe Fervor which would benefit everyone, or even Uncanny Speed
April 12, 2013 4:19 a.m.
SquidMonk3y says... #23
Seeing the ammount of cheap removal spells, I would add in Blade of the Bloodchief or some other cards that benefit other stuff dying. Nice deck all-in-all, though! +1 from me ;D I also have a red/black vamp deck that builds around a different idea, so I would love it if you checked it out! Thanks in andvance ;D
June 5, 2013 8:23 a.m.
MartialArt says... #24
Hi. It's me again with some thoughts:
Your deck is good but the problem I see with your deck is that it's 70% aggro and 30% control. You do both and nothing at it's best extend.
What of both do you want? I would suggest to focus more on one of both.
A working example of a vampire aggro deck could be mine: Vampire aggro
You could take a look at it if you want to get some ideas. If you want to know something feel free to ask.
I would not run Blade of the Bloodchief since it is way too slow. Only in a complete control vampire deck it could make sense and still I wouldn't play it.
I wanted to make a vampire control deck too and will show it to you once I have it to give you some idea of my interpretation of vampire control (could be helpful to see it from another view).
I hope this helped.
Greets MA.
June 17, 2013 8:59 a.m.
Sadly Dark Ritual is not modern legal I would cut 2 of them for 2 more lands and the other one for Gatekeeper of Malakir for that matter I would also cut Incinerate so you can have 3x Gatekeeper of Malakir.
ScruffyTheJanitor says... #1
Here is my opinion.
Vampire Nighthawk needs to be a 4 of, combo'd with 4x Stromkirk Captain gives you first strike deathtouch goodness and is a very cheap set of cards.
Sengir Vampire are a waste of space, there are a lot better cards.
I am assuming that you are actually building a casual deck and not really an extended deck. Mirri the Cursed is a great Vampire as well as Baron Sengir
Your 1 drop should be 4x Stromkirk Noble .
Work in some Bloodline Keeper Flip for token and pump for your vampires, Vampire Nocturnus should be at least a 3 of.
Falkenrath Aristocrat need to find their way in.
Dreadbore is a great removal card if you want to stick to red and black.
Dark Impostor is a waste of a roster spot.
You need to add in red removal, list Lightning Bolt Searing Spear Pillar of Flame to counter prot black like Knight of Glory
February 19, 2013 11:39 a.m.