Red Scare: Zada EDH [PRIMER]

Commander / EDH* Daedalus19876

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Daedalus19876 says... #1

rvngzus33: Budget zada is a drug. Have you had a chance to check out my $25 version? :)

April 3, 2017 1:08 p.m.

rvngzus33 says... #2

Yeah man, it's nasty. My friends are so pissed that their $300+ decks can't beat a $35 Zada deck haha. It's like the great salt lake every weekend haha.

April 3, 2017 3:48 p.m.

Scorprix says... #3

If you play Extraplanar Lens, why not use Snow-Covered Mountains instead of normal ones so that you can prevent your opponents from getting the benefit of your mana rock?

April 4, 2017 10:24 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #4

Scorprix: To be honest? 1) My meta doesn't include many basic mountains, so it's somewhat marginal and 2) I like the art on Mountains better ;)

April 5, 2017 12:05 a.m.

Hey, maybe add Molten Birth it is a recursive token maker that helps if you are waiting to go off.

April 5, 2017 1:07 a.m.

Also I'm working on a zada list of my own, and I found a cool card that can save some of your team from wraths, Goblin Chirurgeon. The sac is usually negligible after you accrue some tokens to protect your value creatures. Also one copy effect that does work with zada is Isochron Scepter which allows you to hold onto your value spells like Battle Hymn and Expedite, and use them every turn. Another sneaky addition i have is Plague Myr as both ramp to get zada out earlier, and as an alt wincon against crazy Oloro, Ageless Ascetic decks or similar infinite lifegain startegies. And just as an all around answer to ghostly prison effects or similar things ie any enchantment, Chaos Warp is a must have as the single best red removal spell in edh. Lastly you may consider maindecking Balduvian Rage as another pump spell to finish off the game. It is flexible enough to let you combo off, albeit a turn later, and also be a finisher.

April 5, 2017 1:28 a.m.

Also #ZadaLife foer dayz!

April 5, 2017 1:55 a.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #8

sarkhanisverybroken: Thanks for the comment! Lemme get back to you in the morning ;)

April 5, 2017 2:35 a.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #9

sarkhanisverybroken: Thanks for the long comment, I really appreciate it! In order:

I used to run Molten Birth, but it just turned out to be too slow :( the fact that it conditionally returns to my hand was too unreliable. I eventually replaced it with Mogg Alarm (because it can be cast without mana on my combo turn if I need more tokens) but that got cut eventually too.

Goblin Chirurgeon is a good idea - what would you cut for it?

I also used to run Isochron Scepter (it's an amazing card in general) but, astonishingly, it didn't end up pulling its weight. There were too many times when it was a dead card in hand...and the repeatability was not worth as much as I originally thought. I only get one combo turn usually - my opponents keep Zada off the board whenever they have the chance.

I've considered Plague Myr before...but I generally don't like infect much, and it seems like the colorless mana is a heavy downside. Does it work well in your list? I don't have much to give it trample...

Chaos Warp is an amazing card...but slots are really, really tight in this deck. What would you cut for it?

I used to run Balduvian Rage, Aleatory, Chaotic Strike, etc for additional sources of card draw. However, their timing restrictions simply kill the deck - because all of my mana from rituals fizzles when I change phase - and the delayed draw is also really, really dangerous. I swapped in Blazing Shoal to replace the pump effect, and have never regretted it.

Do you have a list online? I'd love to look it over if you want :)

Also, you're welcome to give an upvote if you like the deck! We Zada players have got to stick together #ZadaLife ;)

April 5, 2017 10:44 a.m.

grimcase21 says... #10

I'm trying to build a Zada deck as well, and I was wondering what you thought about Invigorated Rampage, Goblin Dark-Dwellers, and Spark of Creativity.

April 5, 2017 10:50 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #11

grimcase21: I wish you all the luck in the world! :)

Invigorated Rampage is pretty good for more combat-focussed builds.

Goblin Dark-Dwellers is powerful, I just found it to be a bit too high in mana cost.

Spark of Creativity is...something I hadn't considered before, actually. I completely neglected to notice that it works that way with Zada. Holy mother of god I need to test this now...Thank you!!

April 5, 2017 11:05 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #12

grimcase21: I added Spark of Creativity over Hope of Ghirapur - seems like a good switch :) Thank you very much for that suggestion!

April 6, 2017 12:13 p.m.

grimcase21 says... #13

Daedalus19876: I'm glad it I found something for you to add :D

April 6, 2017 2:33 p.m.

Maybe switch out the Dragonmaster Outcast for the chirurgeon, since the protection seems better than the tokens, especially when the tokens come very slow and starting on turn 6.

April 7, 2017 5:18 p.m.

Orantus says... #15

How about swapping Confusion in the Ranks with Zap ?

April 8, 2017 1:14 a.m.

Orantus says... #16

sorry .. i mean swapping Cathartic Reunion with Zap

April 8, 2017 1:20 a.m.

Conflagrate seems like it would be awesome in this.

Generate a ton of , Conflagrate, hit Zada with a draw spell, then dump a huge hand and Conflagrate from the graveyard.

April 10, 2017 3:42 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #18

Orantus: I really can't use Zap here, because it will wipe my board.

WalkingWormFood: Ooh, interesting idea! Thanks :)

April 10, 2017 3:50 p.m.

Also Abbot of Keral Keep would be fun with the Twinflame + Dualcaster Mage loop and enough mana.

Kind of a long way around compared to hitting Zada with draw spells and playing everything at once but you'd get to trigger Prowess repeatedly on endless copies of Abbot.

April 10, 2017 4:08 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #20

WalkingWormFood: I'm afraid that combo won't work :( copies aren't cast, so I can't get any non-Dualcaster Mage creatures, and I can't get any prowess triggers :(

April 12, 2017 6:09 p.m.

I know it doesn't work with Heat Shimmer, but potentially Twinflame would let you copy both Abbot of Keral Keep and Dualcaster Mage repeatedly and triggering both their ETB abilities, unless I misread Twinflame.

April 12, 2017 8:07 p.m.

Oh wait, yeah. Not sure how strive works when copied.

April 12, 2017 10:06 p.m.

IgnisMachina says... #23

Strive is copied I believe.

April 12, 2017 11:45 p.m.

IgnisMachina says... #24

Goblin Dark-Dwellers has always been a good card for me, since Zada has a bit of ramp

April 12, 2017 11:50 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #25

WalkingWormFood and IgnisMachina: When a card with Strive is copied, you may change the targets but NOT the number of targets. So yes, you can make infinite copies of any creature doing that. That being said, since the combo generates an infinite number of hasty Dualcaster Mages already, I think the addition of Abbot of Keral Keep is a bit win-more :(

IgnisMachina: Goblin Dark-Dwellers keep rotating in and out. To be honest, although they can reuse a draw spell, I tend to just prefer a token generator :( If I could find something to cut, though, they'd probably make it back into the list.

April 13, 2017 9:28 p.m.

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