Thank you for all the help. If you don't mind me asking without being a pain I have a couple more questions. I have been testing this at my local store with good results. But I was wondering with the Flash PH combo. Do we need to get delver? Are we able to (with the original hulk trigger) get Mik, seer, and ballista seeing how ballistas cmc is 0? It would enter instantly die and come back because Mik correct?
Also if it is a late game and your deck hasn't been working with you or you are playing against heavy counters if you have parts of hulk and/or part of food chain in the grave (or hand) how do you win? Do you solely rely on lab man and/or nox revival? Please help with that. All tips and tricks would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks again I love the deck I just want to learn to master it. I hope the questions aren't getting annoying lol.
August 29, 2017 12:21 a.m.
I wanted to edit my above comment sorry I do not know how to do so I am new to tapped out. Also with the buried alive combo I may be extremely oblivious but it's says 2 lands no creatures don't play a land until cradle. How do you play buried alive and reanimate with 2 lands, am I missing something hopefully not a stupid question.
August 29, 2017 12:29 a.m.
Lilbrudder says... #4
mana crypt/sol ring/dark ritual or some combination of dork/mox with land drop. However, that is actually an outdated description since we can do it more efficiently. Lets say you have 3+ lands in play and no creatures and you reanimate raz with delver and image. You simply sac both to grab Life and Elvish Spirit Guide. Then you sac your lands grab LED crack for 3 then grab either food chain+scourge or flash+hulk and win from there. The most common buried alive pile is super simple
Turn 1 dork
Turn 2 tutor/interact
Turn 3 buried alive+reanimate sac 3 creatures then win.
We are using LED as it allows us to get through tight scenarios where in response to us reanimating raz someone kills our dork. We can still do the life/guide to sac our lands and get to the critical threshold of 3 creatures. Any floating mana reduces the needed creatures by one as well.
August 29, 2017 7:58 a.m. Edited.
Awesome, I will need to re pick up an LED. Also if you have some time can you take a look at my other comment that was above the one you responded to about flash hulk. Thanks for all the help I'm putting up good results with this list so far.
August 29, 2017 9:03 a.m.
Lilbrudder says... #6
Oops I didnt even see that. Delver is necessary unfortunately. As Mike is 6cc and viscera seer is 1cc and hulk only gets 6cc worth of creatures. As far as I know ballista wont die because it will see mike coming in at the same time which gives ballista a static +1/+1. If things are going poorly its tough to say. I may try to put Jin in play to soften the table up and get a fresh 7. Do I have creatures in play? Then Raz can noxious revival/regrowth/brainstorm the cards where they need to be and/or control the table for a turn or two. Its important to note if Raz is in play flash hulk will net us 6 creatures, which should get us whatever we need. Aside from food chain being exiled or hulk pieces being exiled he should be able to get you there. Otherwise throw the hail mary and labman pact. If that doesnt work your opponents deserve to win.
August 29, 2017 10:30 a.m. Edited.
Hi, perhaps I am missing something obvious, but how do you go into Hulk line from Buried Alive as written? You've already used up the delver at that point so even if you grab Flash Hulk you would need 1 more creature to sac for Raz and grave noxious revival, which makes this line difficult unless there's an extra dork or land around.
January 11, 2018 3:10 a.m.
Lilbrudder says... #8
You can assemble the hulk line manually in a couple of ways or use the free tutors from hulk to just do food chain. However the manual hulk line is fairly straight forward. Just flash hulk get mike ball. Then ping someone with ball sac it to Raz and it comes back dur to mike. You then grab vicera seer. Then do it again you get chrome mox, do it again get a black card cast vicera seer with fast mana gg
January 11, 2018 5:01 a.m. Edited.
EvilswarmKery says... #9
How does the Flash Hulk pile work when you're doing the Buried Alive plan? With the Buried Alive you're already used your Phyrexian Delver to get back the Raz, so how does getting Flash Hulk win you the game when you need to grab both Mike+ Viscera Seer? Thanks
June 28, 2018 5:16 p.m.
EvilswarmKery says... #10
Can't seem to edit my previous comment. Noticed that you posted the solution to that right above my comment. Sorry about that.
Lilbrudder says... #1
KBet: Thank you for your interest.
1) The Raz combo pays for foodchain as well as hulk. You would cast food chain then exile Raz to pay for eternal scourge. I actually recently cut lotus petal and added LED to more easily end the game off less creatures/through disruption, but Petal is usually adequate and a better draw in noncombo situations.
2) Drawing ballista is no big deal and seer you can also cast. Hands with Mike or delver just mean you go for FC or Raz. If you have multiple combo peices you usually mull it. Fortunately there are less combo peices in this deck than any other SBT deck due to no HD combo
3) This deck can get by without a obvious path to victory as long as you have some kind of card advantage/recursion/way to reanimate Jin and interaction. The benefit of less combo peices is improved interaction. However, the preferred gameplan is to have a clear path to turn 2-4 win.
4) You still want to get in under control, and this deck is blazing fast (avg win turn 3.22 over 100 goldfishes), but if we have to go long we can do that. This list has more turn 2 wins than SBT combo but also more turn 4-5 wins. We have more variance as SBT combo can turn 3 at an extremely high rate, but our interaction suite is a little better so variance is ok.
Having played against or played some of the better decks in the format I can say with certainty, this deck can compete with anyone. Its fast, consistent, and versatile and it plays to SBT's strengths quite well.
August 27, 2017 9:09 p.m.