Scion is RawrFaced!

Commander / EDH* WanderingSpirit

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Zer0w says... #1

Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund is very good, however it can back fire ugly if someone takes it from your graveyard or deck or clones it because they will take all of your dragons. and that sucks. I use Dragonlord Kolaghan for the mass haste in prep for a mass reanimate. he actually works even better then Karrthus for a brutal Rise of the Dark Realms into an all out blood bath assault.

January 5, 2016 11:01 p.m.

True enough! I agree that Kolaghan would work better, but I have since sold the deck because college expenses and am working to slowly rebuild it. Thanks for the input!

January 15, 2016 1:20 p.m.

bullet6756 says... #3

I would suggest definitely taking Dragonlord Kolaghan out of your maybe bored and putting it in your main. It can be very useful in quick games and with the "Whenever and opponent casts a creature or planeswalker spell with the same name as a card in his or her graveyard, that player loses 10 life." Would be useful if you know your opponent has multiple of several cards.

February 10, 2016 10:25 a.m.

Thanks for your input, bullet6756. Kolaghan was already suggested, but it is definitely a good idea. I think I'll pass on the spell effect you suggested though, as EDH/Commander is a singleton format. It could be useful for an effect that says "cast a copy of a spell in a graveyard", but that's highly situational.

February 10, 2016 12:15 p.m.

Widget_23 says... #5

I'm not sure if this has already been addressed, but stacking Scion's ability, like you suggest with your Molten Skittles combo, doesn't work. As soon as Scion's ability resolves, he becomes an exact copy of the other dragon, which overwrites any ability he already has. He doesn't keep his copy ability, and if you activate his ability twice, then the second time it resolves will overwrite the abilities gained from the first time, so he can never have more than one other dragon's ability. It's an awesome deck, though. I've always had good luck with Dragon Arch with my dragon decks, but it only works for the multicolored cards.

February 21, 2016 2:48 p.m.

There's been some debate about this. It's been said that putting the ability on the stack multiple times before it resolves is viable.

Does the ability use on the stack fizzle when Scion becomes Moltensteel Dragon?

I'll quote one of the comments from that debate by Ohthenoises:

Activate his copy ability twice, and let the first one resolve, binning Moltensteel Dragon. With the other copy ability still on the stack, pay 12 life to give him +6/+0. Then let the second copy ability activate, turning him into Skithryx, the Blight Dragon. The +6/+0 is unaffected by the copying, so you're hitting for 10 infect damage for the win.

The +6/+0 is unaffected because of layer 7. This is what layer 7 has to say:

"613.3. Within layer 7, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the order described below. Within eachsublayer, apply effects in timestamp order. (See rule 613.6.) Note that dependency may alter theorder in which effects are applied within a sublayer. (See rule 613.7.)

613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied.

613.3c Layer 7c: Effects that modify power and/or toughness (but dont set power and/or toughnessto a specific number or value) are applied."

Since the copy effect (which sets his toughness) and the modification effect (moltensteel's pump) are applied in different layers AND the modification effect is applied SECOND this works.August 29, 2012 7:31 a.m.

This comment doesn't really mention what happens to the stacked ability when the first one resolves, but it explains how it would work in practice were the ability unaffected by the resolution of the first. That's the question that needs to be addressed, I think.

February 21, 2016 8:02 p.m.

Ohthenoises says... #7

It;s also important to note that abilities on the stack exist independent of their source. Similar to killing a Grim Lavamancer in response to his ping ability will STILL result in 2 damage. (Think about it like if I launch a rocket in your direction and you snipe me dead before it hits you you STILL have a rocket flying at you.)

You aren't activating his ability, then waiting for him to become a copy, and then trying to activate it again. Rather you are activating it twice, letting one resolve, then in response to the second activation pumping, then finally letting the stack clear.

February 21, 2016 9:40 p.m.

Thanks again for the input Ohthenoises.

I thought that was the case, but clarification is always good.

February 22, 2016 12:31 a.m.

autruche2 says... #9

1x haven of the Spirit Dragon, 1x Crucible of Fire , switch bogardan with stormbreath dragon or utvara or anything else like a mountain would be better dang nice deck XD .

April 11, 2017 2:24 p.m.

Haven is going in for sure when I rebuild, as is Utvara. Thanks for the feedback!

April 25, 2017 8:22 a.m.

mrlucky131313 says... #11

I dont have any infinite combo in mine...I play more casual and people hate combo decks. I do like mimic vat,faithless looting, liliana's deaths majesty. I went with a reanimate theme with mine. So getting dragons in the graveyard early and having a reanimate spell is key.

November 10, 2017 9:04 a.m.

That's where Hermit Druid is a key player. Sure, when running him you are more vulnerable to blood moon, but the benefit is worth it. With Genesis in the yard, it doesn't matter if your reanimation spells hit the yard, just bring back Eternal Witness and snag the spell you need.

November 10, 2017 12:58 p.m. Edited.

allanrichardo says... #13

pretty neat list ! WanderingSpirit

What do you guys think about my own Scion deck..

Sneaky-Roarrry Things

let me know :)

February 4, 2018 10:06 a.m.

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