Machinations of the Draconian

Commander / EDH MrAwesomeSocks

SCORE: 664 | 706 COMMENTS | 116149 VIEWS | IN 243 FOLDERS


MrAwesomeSocks says... #1

Kinpa6Ansatsu: He used to be in! I decided to make Hermit Druid its own deck, I just haven't posted it on TappedOut yet. And yes, the combo is dirty. Very, very dirty. I feel like I need a shower after I use it haha.

April 27, 2015 2:40 p.m.

klone13 says... #2

Why Oblation and Scourge of Kher Ridges. Also you should add Birds of Paradise, Deathrite and possibly Noble Hierarch. You could also try an Aluren combo.

April 27, 2015 2:41 p.m.

MrAwesomeSocks says... #3

klone13

Oblation may no longer tuck commanders, but it is still useful for getting rid of other things. Scourge of Kher Ridges is my board wipe that I can activate whenever I want using Scion of the Ur-Dragon's ability.

I would add those creatures if they had haste. What's the point of Aluren in my deck? I'm a Dragon deck. That will help my opponents more than it will help me.

April 27, 2015 2:49 p.m.

klone13 says... #4

you could make it into an Aluren deck.

April 27, 2015 2:57 p.m.

klone13 says... #5

I_H8_U_M8 has a good one.

April 27, 2015 3:01 p.m.

MrAwesomeSocks says... #6

klone13

Again, why? I would rather just build a separate Aluren deck than have to convert my Dragon deck into one.

I've seen his deck, and it is a nice one. However, that's not what I'm trying to accomplish here.

April 27, 2015 3:04 p.m.

KoriAne says... #7

"Hey, your dragon deck is nice! But why not to put in some sliver?"

"Cause is a dragon deck..."

"Than why don't you change it in a sliver deck?"

LOL. What was that, commercial for other users?

April 27, 2015 4:08 p.m.

MrAwesomeSocks says... #8

KoriAne: I know, right? I have no idea what the heck that was about.

April 27, 2015 4:11 p.m.

VexenX says... #9

Now that I look at Scourge of Kher Ridges, you make a really good point! I think I'm going to get one and play test. It might not be as cheap as Balefire Dragon, but it wipes everyone the same way in multiplayer for . Not amazing, but effective.

I have a few suggestions, but you do you. Your deck list looks amazing, I just have a few card ideas that I have found to be great that you might like too.

First, Belltoll Dragon in place of Quicksilver Dragon. I see why Quicksilver has its perks, but I think a second Hexproof to protect Scion is key.

The next thing I think is maybe just my view. I don't like dragons in my deck that activate when they die, like Keiga, the Tide Star, Yosei, the Morning Star, and Destructor Dragon. Scion will almost always be going back to my Command Zone if/when he is destroyed. I see that you run quite a few spot reanimate cards, but even then. I would replace them with win conditions like Atarka, World Render, Scourge of the Throne, and Utvara Hellkite.

That being said, Patriarch's Bidding might be my favorite card in my Scion deck! I can fill my grave at the end of my opponents turn, then bring forth and army of dragons! (This is why the three above cards are even better!)

Now, for card advantage I have fallen in love with Sensei's Divining Top, Sylvan Library, and Mirri's Guile! They don't just allow me to get the cards I want, but they more importantly prevent me from drawing dragons that I want Scion to turn into! On top of that Scroll Rack can put whatever dragons that make it into my hand back in the deck, for value!

One last thought. I think your set of foil Signets are really sweet! idk if they are just there because they are cool, or because they give you a turn 4 Scion almost every game. If you were open to take a couple out I have found Fellwar Stone, Chromatic Lantern, andCoalition Relic to be great for fixing.

Again, I hope I didn't hit any buttons. I really am just trying to help. Please take a look at my deck Scion of the... Oh no! if you have the time. I think you might of looked at it before, but I have made A LOT of changes in the past couple months (Just from playing it on a weekly basis). I think you play more of a combo based deck, while mine is more of a beat-down deck. But why not have the best of both worlds!?

April 29, 2015 7:37 p.m.

VexenX: Thanks for the comment and suggestions!

Yes, Scourge of Kher Ridges is an amazing card! He's one of my most sneaky cards in the deck. Just blows up crap out of no where.

Belltoll Dragon has actually already replaced Quicksilver Dragon. I've just been too lazy to update it haha. And you're absolutely correct. Hexproof is instantly better than the ability to deflect. It hurt taking out Quicksilver though, more out of sentiment than anything else.

Keiga, the Tide Star and Destructor Dragon have saved me more times than I can count. Whether it be stealing someone's key creature or destroying an important combo piece, it's just another way to control the board. And my Feldon of the Third Path + Yosei, the Morning Star combo is just evil haha. Although you're right; unless I have one of my spot reanimation cards in hand, I will not be using one of my "trap dragons."

Patriarch's Bidding is not a card I'm fond of. I highly dislike giving my opponent even ONE card out of their graveyard. Plus, this is not a deck that swarms. My Scion of the Ur-Dragon deck is more like a surgical blade, striking only once, but it's so sharp that it's lethal. Every swing with Scion is meant to kill a player or to cripple them, leaving them useless while I clean up the rest of the board.

I'm not a fan of Mirri's Guile, but I have been trying to fit Sensei's Divining Top, Sylvan Library, and Scroll Rack in the deck for a long time now. The 100 card limit for EDH makes things difficult so they are left out, as I find these cards more of a luxury than a necessity. If I ever have the space though, they'll be one of the first ones in.

My signets are the ramp of my deck, and the foil ones look sexy as hell in person lol. And yes, I can pull turn 3-4 Scions with them. I'm not a fan of Fellwar Stone, as it is dependent on my opponent's mana base. Chromatic Lantern is already in, and I won't take out a signet for Coalition Relic, as it costs one mana more.

You rarely ever need to worry about hitting my buttons. I'm always open to suggestions! I just found the suggestion to turn my deck from it's current form to an Aluren deck quite dumb. I believe I looked at your deck before, but I'll be more than happy to check it out again. Magic is an ever-evolving game, and in order to make the most of our decks we need to constantly change them.

April 30, 2015 9:48 a.m.

KoriAne says... #11

Imho: card like divining top, mirri's guile, Sylvan library... Are too OP, boring and annoying, and simply don't fit a EDH deck, that is supposed to be fun. But this is my naif way of thinking.

About the Belltoll Dragon: hexproof is a really nice ability, I will not deny it, but in mine I prefer to keep as defense dragons Silumgar, the Drifting Death, Dragonlord Ojutai and Quicksilver Dragon. His ability is situational, but really powerful if it strikes.

Real reason: Belltoll Dragon is ugly. It seem an hippogriff.

April 30, 2015 10:11 a.m.

KoriAne: I'm still trying to fit in Dragonlord Ojutai. I've no idea what to remove though. And I'm looking for a way to put back in Quicksilver Dragon. I love his ability, and I will always love that card.

Yes, Belltoll Dragon is ugly as fudge. Luckily for Belltoll, I am not like my girlfriend. I will not take out cards just because they look ugly lol.

April 30, 2015 10:23 a.m.

Zer0w says... #13

Are you claiming that Silumgar, the Drifting Death in not as ugly as Belltoll Dragon??? Belltoll is not the most attractive dragon they've got. But it looks like Silumgar is the victim of a SERIOUSLY botched plastic surgery. Like, instead of a simple nose job the doctor cut off the dragons entire head and installed a goofy looking mouth on his neck-stump. he also flies around with his arms drooping down like some knuckle dragging troglodyte... "I just don't know what you see in him".

April 30, 2015 12:14 p.m.

Zer0w:

LMAO! You've got a point there! Silumgar is also ugly as hell. What do you think, KoriAne?

April 30, 2015 12:19 p.m.

VexenX says... #15

I know we run our Scion deck pretty different from each other, but I have to ask... why Enduring Scalelord and Arashin Sovereign? I just want to know what interactions you see. I am frankly sad none of the new 26 dragons made it into my decklist, so I am looking for any excuse to put one in lol.

I personally think Teneb, the Harvester is amazing! But to each our own lol

May 1, 2015 12:52 a.m.

VexenX:

Enduring Scalelord combos very well with Dack's Duplicate. Use Scion's ability to transform into Scalelord. Copy Scalelord with the Duplicate. Since the copy has haste and dethrone, you get an infinite number of +1/+1 counters as long as you attack the opponent with the most life. Seems like a good deal.

Arashin Sovereign allows me to topdeck Scion when it dies if my opponents have made me waste all of my protection dragons. It's kind of iffy, which is why it remains in my maybe category. I'll definitely be adding Dragonlord Ojutai before Arashin.

I do agree with you that Teneb, the Harvester is an amazing Dragon. He can pull things out of either player's graveyards. Unfortunately for Teneb, he's one of those cards that no longer fits with the deck. It's like a mutual break up lol. We're moving in different directions. I'm currently working on a second Scion deck. He'll be making a move.

May 1, 2015 2:26 p.m.

I love this deck idea, but how are you doing these combos with scion copying two dragons the same turn. I looked on wizards rulings on scion and it says that when scion copy's another dragon it loses its copy ability for the rest of the turn.

May 2, 2015 8:13 a.m.

FenderFanatic07: Thanks for the comment!

As long as you put Scion of the Ur-Dragon's ability twice on the stack, Scion is forced to cycle through each transformation. This allows Scion to become more than one dragon per turn, albeit it is at instant speed. He'll only be that first dragon while still on the stack, so anything you do with the first dragon must be done at instant speed. So once his final transformation is finished, he does lose his ability for the rest of the turn.

May 2, 2015 10:32 a.m.

taschneide says... #19

I'd have thought that Teneb would be a no-brainer due to being able to pull back the dragons you throw out with Scion... and pull them back to the battlefield, no less. But I suppose when you're one-shot-killing people anyway, having extra dragons doesn't really matter.

May 2, 2015 11:28 a.m.

taschneide: Thanks for the comment! Precisely right! Being able to one shot people reduces my need to have more Dragons on the field. However, my love for Teneb, the Harvester is very strong, and I'm currently testing hard to see what doesn't work so I can put it back in.

May 2, 2015 11:34 a.m.

Awesome! Thanks for clearing that up. I'm really glad them combos work.

May 2, 2015 1:13 p.m.

VexenX says... #22

Ya, my problem is when you one shot someone the two other people snap there attention on you lol. That's why I prefer a stronger board state then just Scion. Minamo, School at Water's Edge could be a good addition. Works well with Ojatai too

May 2, 2015 1:22 p.m.

VexenX: That's why you don't go straight for the one shot. First, you cripple one player using Nicol Bolas, Numot, the Devastator, or another Dragon that hurts their board presence. Then you one shot the other player while the first opponent is still recovering.

There's more to my deck than just cast Scion and swing. How you play this deck changes depending on what is on the board. That's the beauty of Scion. It is versatile enough to handle almost any situation.

May 2, 2015 4:35 p.m.

VexenX says... #24

Yup! That's why I play a few counters... Wrath and Damnation is Scions bane.

May 2, 2015 5:49 p.m.

Can you explain in more detail how the animate dead + worldgorger dragon combo works?

May 3, 2015 11:56 p.m.

Please login to comment