Machinations of the Draconian
Commander / EDH
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aayacrance says... #2
Steel Hellkite provides good removal, but more than that, it gives you the ability to cast All Is Dust without sacrificing Scion. There may be also other situations when you want Scion to be colorless... Think about it.
May 29, 2015 9:30 a.m.
MrAwesomeSocks says... #3
aayacrance: Thanks for the comment!
I agree that Steel Hellkite is an all around great card. Unfortunately, it runs into the same issue as a lot of other cards: the 100 card EDH limit. There's currently nothing in the deck that I'd consider taking out in order to run it.
May 30, 2015 9:58 a.m.
Awesome deck! I have been running a similar version of your deck, and I have encountered a few bumps and I would like your input on it.
1- Whenever Scion of the Ur-Dragon comes into play it draws the attention of everyone on the table. The problem I encounter is that i cant eliminate the competition in time, being Tyrant's Familiar the only haste giving dragon. I admit its an awesome card but it does not fit some situations. Any suggestions for haste?
2- I know it is inevitable to draw some dragons from time to time causing some combos to be useless. Any tips on how to return or discard them?
I am asking this since I am relatively new to MTG and don't know everything that is out there. Also i don't pretend that you change the deck just because i am having some troubles. Thanks!
June 8, 2015 6:03 a.m.
MrAwesomeSocks says... #5
Agamore: Thanks for the comment!
1- Sometimes, giving Scion haste isn't enough. Rather than try to swing as soon as possible, instead look to protect Scion with hexproof dragons such as Belltoll Dragon and Silumgar, the Drifting Death. And, if you really feel the need to, add in other ways to protect Scion of the Ur-Dragon such as Darksteel Plate and Indestructibility. That way Scion can shrug off basically anything.
2- Spells such as Brainstorm allow you to put dragons from your hand back into your library. If budget isn't a big issue for you, I'd highly recommend investing in a Jace, the Mind Sculptor. His 0 is a savior, constantly Brainstorming Dragons back into your library.
Three other cards I recommend are Elvish Piper, Quicksilver Amulet, and Sneak Attack. All three allow you to "cheat" Dragons from your hand into play. Other options include Jhoira of the Ghitu and Kaalia of the Vast. Both of them also allow from the cheating of Dragons into play.
I hope I helped! Best of luck to you in your Scion endeavors!
June 8, 2015 9:49 a.m.
is it not worth running Elixir of Immortality, Bladewing the Risen or Draco? i just built a very similar deck and was thinking they would all be great cards to have...
June 9, 2015 6:32 p.m.
MrAwesomeSocks says... #7
dooomsdae: Thanks for the comment!
Draco, in my honest opinion, is not worth it. At the end of the day, its a 9/9 flier with no abilities. It's a wasted slot.
Elixir of Immortality and Bladewing the Risen, however, are good cards with only one issue: the 100 card EDH limit. There isn't anything in the deck I think is worth taking out for either of them.
June 9, 2015 8:49 p.m.
ShadowFlame_Studios says... #8
You should add Rith, the Awakener because you can get massive amounts of saplings by using his ability repeatedly.
June 12, 2015 8:07 p.m.
MrAwesomeSocks says... #9
ShadowFlame_Studios: Thanks for the comment!
Unfortunately, Rith, the Awakener is pretty useless. It's a 6/6 flier than makes tokens. The tokens do not help me win the game in any way, shape, or form. He gets beaten out by much better Dragons.
June 12, 2015 9:34 p.m.
shermanido37 says... #11
This is a frightening deck! Possibly the best Scion deck I've seen.
With that, I have a few questions of cards in your deck:
Enduring Scalelord? I get it's a combo with itself, but what would put a counter on it?
Shivan Hellkite? Seems very lackluster, but there's probably some infinite mana combo I'm missing.
Yosei, the Morning Star is only useful if Scion is about to die, is that worth it?
Worldgorger Dragon... Obviously this card is some kind of combo, but I don't see it.
I would suggest Hellkite Overlord (haste enabler + evasion + regenerate + dragonbreath), Stormbreath Dragon (haste, useful ability that leaves +1/+1 counters and pro-white), Archwing Dragon (haste, scion isn't vulnerable to removal after opponents untap). Hypersonic Dragon also has some utility if you see if you want to cast a clutch removal or something, and Haven of the Spirit Dragon seems very adequate in both mana and its ability to bring back Ugin.
Other cards that others (and yourself) mentioned are Utvara Hellkite, Bladewing the Risen, I know you said you don't see room for cutting but I think you do. Apart from what I mentioned earlier Oblation has really lost its value after the recent change to Commander rulings, so you have several slots to work with.
Hope I helped mate, this really is a monster of a deck :)
June 19, 2015 9:53 a.m.
MrAwesomeSocks says... #12
shermanido37: Thanks for the comment and the compliment!
Enduring Scalelord works well with Dack's Duplicate. The Duplicate becomes a Scalelord, but with the extra ability of haste and dethrone. The rest should be self explanatory.
Animate Dead + Worldgorger Dragon = Infinite mana :) Pump that into Shivan Hellkite and laugh maniacally.
Yosei, the Morning Star, indeed, is only used when Scion is about to die. When someone uses a board wipe, hexproof won't protect Scion, so I'll punish them instead. Also, using Feldon of the Third Path to recur Yosei every turn is just a dick move to one of your opponents.
Hope that helped explain everything! And if you liked the deck, please leave a +1! Thanks!
June 21, 2015 10:13 a.m.
shermanido37 says... #13
Thanks for the explanation mate. I can see how this is a solid, scary deck.
I would still replace Oblation with another removal card because of the rule changes.
This deck definitely has my +1 though.
June 22, 2015 5:53 a.m.
Even though Oblation got nerfed against commanders, its still a solid removal card that can hit any non-land permanent (including indestructible ones) at instant speed.
June 22, 2015 7:10 a.m.
I would add Utvara Hellkite so you can get a bunch of tokens onto the battlefeild. Considering your deck revolves around dragons, that should be pretty easy.
July 9, 2015 8:17 a.m.
MrAwesomeSocks says... #16
Quarion65: Thanks for the comment!
Utvara Hellkite is an amazing dragon! Unfortunately, there's two reasons why Utvara isn't in my deck.
1) My version of a Scion deck isn't about swarming the field with dragons. It's more about swinging once at an opponent, and that effect being lethal. Utvara's effect would be wasted.
2) Unfortunately, in EDH, we are only allowed 99 cards + the General. Utvara's effect is so amazing I would happily include it in despite point #1. Unfortunately, there's nothing in the deck I would currently take out for it.
July 9, 2015 9:26 a.m.
If you turn Scion into Yosei before he gets busted, he won't trigger the ability if he goes to the Command Zone since he doesn't go in the Graveyard. But the Feldon combo is still broken though xD
Also, how do you survive heavy aggro decks early game ? (let's say Daretti Burn/Aggro i.e.). A bit of lifelink wouldn't hurt I guess (Whip of Erebos, Sorin, Solemn Visitor)
July 9, 2015 3:21 p.m.
MrAwesomeSocks says... #18
Marenkai: Thanks for the comment!
Yosei is more of a last resort than anything else. I'm well aware its ability won't trigger if I send it back to the General Zone. If I transform into Yosei, it's because I have a reanimation spell in hand.
Survive early game? With this deck, you should be swinging turn 3 or 4. You should be the one threatening to end the game early :-)
July 9, 2015 3:31 p.m.
MrAwesomeSocks: Oh ok :)
My playgroup has a VERY aggressive (suicidal ?) player who runs a Daretti deck. So I hope this Commander will shut him down for good ! xD
I'll use a similar version in Multiplayer but a completely different one in 1v1 (ramp is not really reliable in Duel)
July 9, 2015 4:18 p.m.
Derganrider says... #20
Question: how does animate dead + worldgorger dragon lead to infinite mana?
July 11, 2015 2:55 a.m.
Derganrider: Wolrdgorger in the graveyard and animate in your hand.
1- You play animate dead targetting worldgorger.
2- When the dragon hits the board, he exiles all your permanents including animate dead.
3- Animate dead is not on board anymore so Gorger goes to the grave.
4- Then all your permanents come back from exile including animate dead.
5- Tap your lands for mana, target gorger again and repeat the process.
July 11, 2015 3:54 a.m.
TheBrownCow says... #22
Hey MrAwesomeSocks - what do you think of of this combo to add to OTK all of your opponents (potentially)
July 16, 2015 3:43 p.m.
MrAwesomeSocks says... #23
TheBrownCow: Thanks for the comment!
Ah, the combos with Hellkite Charger. How they make me feel so nostalgic. I used to run Charger along with Sword of Feast and Famine and Bear Umbra. However, the requirement of having seven lands out to go infinite is quite steep. As my deck became faster, the Charger combo became less effective.
Would I recommend their use? Yes! It's a great combo for any starting Scion of the Ur-Dragon deck. Would use them myself? Not anymore. It's just too inefficient to be effective in my deck anymore.
July 17, 2015 12:11 a.m.
So why still run Aggravated Assault without the sword? Clearly you should be running Conspiracy and Kozilek, Butcher of Truth instead :P
July 17, 2015 12:25 a.m.
MrAwesomeSocks says... #25
Haha, enpc, you really want me to put Conspiracy in my deck :P
Aggravated Assault combos every well with Savage Ventmaw. It allows for infinite attacks, like with Hellkite Charger, but without the requirement of seven lands.
MrAwesomeSocks says... #1
KoriAne: True that!
However, the budget version already covers what I'd use instead of the ABUR duals :P
May 27, 2015 9:54 a.m.