thinking about adding Den Protector after realizing the interaction it has with Nighthowler and Strength from the Fallen where i can target the crazy boosts to it and it will become effectively unblockable in addition to its own nifty retrieval ability.

Also thinking about Hedron Crab to boost both self-mill and opponent-mill potential.

Might switch Den Protector in for a Nyx Weaver as a faster alternate retrieval option, plus it would help with the avg CMC of the deck i guess, but i'd be playing it morphed most of the time so thats deceptive. i have no idea what i would switch out for Hedron Crab, maybe that 4th Fauna Shaman and/or a Nighthowler or Nyx Weaver, but I dont really wanna give them up.

anyone got any thoughts?

maybe Lotleth Troll to discard the creatures in your hand that you do not need?

Hey, you're right! I definitely like Lotleth Troll and I think it would have some interesting interactions in this deck. I just don't know what to take out to get him in. As a discard outlet, I kinda prefer Fauna Shaman since it gets me a desired card for the one I discard, even though the troll can be triggered indefinitely until my hand runs dry, but that in turn may just screw me more often than not, but that would be a misplay on my part and just require some practice. As a beater I would prefer Splinterfright even though the troll's regenerate is super sexy, I feel it would mostly just be big and fast out the gate and resilient too, but nothing on its own lethal. However working in tandem with splinters would be phenomenal but may just turn out to be a "win-more" scenario. I feel like adding lotleth troll would be great for using as a consistently protected beater, but the deck is already pretty consistent and I don't think adding it would really make it much faster than it already is.

I do like the idea, but what would you suggest removing to get him in? Also bah-bammmm, I do really appreciate your help and ideas, I don't mean to be snuffing out your suggestions haha!

no problem. maybe Ghoultree? i see people use it.

instead of Strength from the Fallen maybe Wreath of Geists? wreath costs less and you do not have a lot of enchantments for strength of the fallen.

Gosh... Strength from the Fallen is kinda the point of this deck, like the meat and potatoes and all the flavor. i'm gonna have to disagree with your statement that i don't have a lot of enchantments what with Nyx Weaver, Nighthowler, Screams from Within and Renowned Weaver which if you include r-weaver adds up to like 20-25% of the deck being enchantment triggers. but regardless of all that, really thinking objectively here you're probably right.

Strength from the Fallen only out-performs Wreath of Geists when i either get multiple constellation triggers in a turn or in the fact that i can re-target the buff to different creatures instead of being locked onto just one, both of which are scenarios that happen (but i almost always target all the buffs to just one Splinterfright). in reality though, the constant effect of Wreath of Geists and the lower CMC is just plain better in almost all scenarios, regardless of the fact that its a little more susceptible to removal (either enchantment removal or of the creature). youre absolutely right though, its a great suggestion.

The big issue though is that this would basically create an entirely different deck, probably a better deck, but with a very different feel that i think would be a little less fun (im a sucker for constellation triggers and re-triggering triggers). i would replace 3 Strength from the Fallen with 3-4 Wreath of Geists, remove Screams from Within altogether and add more creatures like Boneyard Wurm, remove 1 to all Renowned Weaver(s), add Hedron Crab, add Golgari Grave-Troll and/or Lotleth Troll, and i'd feel like a copy-cat of a bunch of other decks i see on here... i guess the thing about this deck that i've been hanging onto is the fact that its just tons of fun to play and its pretty origional... so im gonna keep it the way it is haha! but no bah-bammmm, youre absolutely right, thank you for the criticism.

Made me make Grave-Bomb :D

yep... Grave-Bomb is already noticably better

This is quite the cool deck! I think I will copy it :)

Hey that's pretty flattering, thanks :D

How do you deal with graveyard hate? Play a few matches on Xmage, love it!

Iksar, my answer for most forms of graveyard hate is Seal of Primordium and Abrupt Decay in the sideboard. a lot of graveyard hate comes in the form of artifacts or enchantments like Tormod's Crypt or Rest in Peace, both of which can be removed nearly instantly with abrupt decay and seal of primordium (although Rest in Peace's triggered ability will still resolve, which sucks). the nifty thing with Seal of Primordium though is that it can be played early with a constellation trigger and activate the removal ability at anytime afterwards at instant speed, at relatively no cost, and cant be countered by most spells.

Now if my opponent is running a super heavy graveyard hate theme or cruel control, then this deck list's sideboard can totally be switched in to change modes from graveyard based aggro to an opponent-mill scheme using synergies with Hedron Crab on the early play rolling into 6-card mills using fetch-land drops, Life from the Loam to buy back the lands, and continued synergies with Raven's Crime. towards the end you can usually pull out an Increasing Confusion for a pretty solid finisher. its like two completely different decks.

Dryad Arbor could be good allowing you to search for a creature with a fetch to chump.

forget I said that me no looky at decky long enough.

haha, no problem. i appreciate the effort though.

Fun deck. I was playtesting and the game went like this:

Turn 1: Land + Birds of Paradise

Turn 2: Hedron Crab + Land + Satyr Wayfinder milling 4 creatures total

Turn 3: 2x Hedron Crab + Fetch to mill 11 creatures

Turn 4: Fetch to mill 9 creatures + Nighthowler on bird to swing for 24 flying for game

yeah dude! glad you like the deck :D

I'm surprised at how well Renowned Reaver works in this deck. +1 for the creativity: this is tappedout gold. I think the 0/2 Jace probably has a place in this deck. Sidisi as well, but you probably already know that.

hey man, just goes to show you, every card has its place. except Break Open.

Thanks for the +1 and i'll play around with Jace and see what i can get out of him. But yeah, totally had Sidisi in here earlier, she just popped off too slow.

Did you get a chance to try out Wreath of Geists?

Oh yeah, haha. There was a big ol discussion about that one in the cleaned up comments. Wreath of geists changes up tho decks functionality entirely too much in a couple different ways. I'll grant you that it is more efficient than Strength from the Fallen on its own and in a lot of circumstances out performs it, however the constellation mechanic from strength allows for an amount if interactivity between my creatures' abilities / creature drops, and my opponents board state and attempts at control. These interactions allow me some surprizing protection against a lot of non-straight-forward playstyles including shared fate shenanagins.

But because wreath is such a great card for this deck, I created Grave-Bomb which is a more efficient, gutted version of this deck. Main differences are replacing strength with wreath, and straight up removing Screams from Within, Renowned Weaver and all constellation focused cards in favor of other grave-strat enablers. The deck feels like it hits lethal damage a turn or two faster than this one, however is more susceptible to my opponents control interaction.

So short answer: Yes I've thought about Wreath of Geists a lot haha. Good call on the suggestion.

Artful Dodge could be a card to try too. It worked really well when i used to run Ghoultree and has some potential in here if you have trouble pushing out the damage.

well in general i'm not having any trouble getting in for damage; the flying on birds o' paradise and quickling, and the trample on splinterfright usually has no problem getting through. the funny thing is i usually just outright dismiss most sorceries since i wanna keep my creature ratio as high as possible, and ive seen artful dodge before, but it really is pretty usable because it has flashback at a pretty good cost, i dont know how i missed that the first time. it would go great if somebody were making a budget version of the deck, and could actually be really viable if Shadows over Innistrad really pushes the "delerium" mechanic and makes a crazy useful card, which i feel they might be doing. ill consider it, ill definitely hold onto it in the maybe board until all the spoilers come out.

Yea man, I'm not usually excited about new sets but this one in particular has me super psyched!

SOI doesn't really have much to offer for our decks. =[

Autumnal Gloom might be something I'm going to try along with Mindwrack Demon but not 100% sure on the gloom.

Well There's definitely a lot of fun stuff in the new set. theres nothing crazy that pops out at me for making my deck better but there is some fun stuff for me to play around with and maybe make a delirium version of this deck. since ive got a whole enchantment thing going on already, i could probably make something happen with Sinister Concoction, Vessel of Paramnesia, and Vessel of Nascency. Traverse the Ulvenwald has got a lot of potential too, but these cards just dont quite work with what we already have built, but the potential for a strong delirium deck is there.

But since your deck runs some self mill and basic lands, you might be able to make some pretty good use of Groundskeeper, get your lands that you milled back out and play to trigger your hedron crabs. The Gitrog Monster is also insane. its expensive, but its absolutely insane with fetch-lands and hedron crabs and satyr wayfinders.