Selesnia Aggro | $20 G/W Butt-Kicking [THS-KTK]

Standard* Mortem

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November 19, 2014 3:47 p.m.

Prima says... #2

Spammer. Love the deck! +1

November 19, 2014 5:22 p.m.

royalecheese says... #3

If I were to add any Windswept Heath and/or Temple of Plenty, what land combination would you suggest?

November 19, 2014 5:35 p.m.

TheHroth says... #4

@royalecheese

Keeping 20 land, I'd use 4 Temple of Plenty, 4 Windswept Heath, 8 Plains, and 4 Forest.

November 19, 2014 5:39 p.m.

haveasoda says... #5

I played a variation of your deck last week and only lost my first game to U/W heroic (which finished #1, I ended up finishing #5 at 2-1-1, beating Jeskai Heroic Combo, U/B/W Control and drawing against U/B control)
It is fun and with a hardened scale in play can go off on any turn.
I would caution adding 4 temples for the pure fact that this deck has to be speedy and tap lands can slow that down.

November 19, 2014 8:50 p.m.

tacticalgoose says... #6

thanks for the clarity guys, yeah i feel this deck needs to be quick so no high mana. i feel like getting sage of hours out and just taking the extra turns with you high power creatures can really throw them off.

November 19, 2014 9:18 p.m.

wolfsokol says... #7

would Abzan Battle Priest be better than eidolon in side i assume it is there to gain you life but battle priest fits all creatures and can itself become abulky body late game.

November 19, 2014 11:35 p.m.

w4rped says... #8

wolfsokol Abzan Battle Priest is clunky in this type of deck. Speed is key to winning.

royalecheese 20 lands is a lot in this deck, but Windswept Heath and Temple of Plenty aren't great choices. the heath forces you to use basics and lose life (which is kinda negligible) and the temple comes into play tapped. If you are going to have a tap land it would be better to be a tri color land to have the ability to splash if needed. If you don't mind losing life, then go for the Mana Confluence and again give yourself the option for splashing. Otherwise you are better off using the standard pain lands for the colored mana if you need it, and colorless if you don't.

Cyaxx Fabled Hero is great, but waiting until turn three to play him hurts. Nothing in the deck will allow you to play him on turn two. And you hit the nail on the head with the card draw. It is supremely lacking in a deck that plays it's hand out by turn four. Life's Legacy could be great in this deck, but affording to lose a creature is where you would be hung up. There are not enough creatures to really be able to lose one unless you are making tokens. Defiant Strike works great, and if you splash you can use Dragon Mantle Ordeal of Thassa Jeskai Ascendancy and Oracle's Insight (which is expencive but I have used to great effect).

Mont3y no problem. I tend to be a little blunt and it can come off as dickish but I don't say anything that I do not feel is true. I never just say that anything is terrible and give no reasoning. In this case I only really wrote anything because I like the idea and wanted to help to make it better.

November 20, 2014 2:22 a.m.

Scorprix says... #9

Thanks w4rped and Mont3y for settling the dispute. : )

November 20, 2014 7:09 a.m.

royalecheese says... #10

w4rped I guess I was just thinking that the scry from the temples might be beneficial after you've been established after your first couple turns. I was also just sort of copying Tom Ross as he uses both fetches and temples in his UW Heroic haha

November 20, 2014 11:30 a.m.

Caravaneer546 says... #11

November 20, 2014 3:19 p.m.

haveasoda says... #12

@Caravaneer546 It is a budget deck, 4 fleecemane's would take up half the $20 budget.

If you wanted to take it out of the budget realm they still might not be the greatest fit because you want to drop the Phalanx leader. My initial thought would be to drop the Akroan Skyguard for fleecemane's if you weren't trying to do this on a budget.

November 20, 2014 7:32 p.m.

Doomerrant says... #13

40 bucks is breaking budget?

November 20, 2014 11:15 p.m.

after playing with the deck, for more than 2o hours on MODO. It's too nut draw dependant for my taste, nice brew, But I will no longer really play it, it has too many weak points and horrible draws, I liked it because I was getting nut draws, but without a blue splash, this deck is tier 3 at best. Sorry if I'm being blunt but after playtesting for so many hours, my verdict stands. I prefer boss sligh or mono blue by Travis woo to this.

November 20, 2014 11:29 p.m.

w4rped says... #15

Temples for scry is great. They are amazing cards because they help set up future draws. The caveat to this type of deck though is the fact that you should not have to set those draws up at all. That is why playing a low amount of land works well. The fetches, in essence, take out mana from your deck. It is one less chance you are going to draw that land. While that is great in a deck with high mana, it is not so good in this type because again it's low mana. I know people use them in a lot of ways, but combined with the price of them... they don't seem to work for me. I like the Mana Confluence ove the fetches, and I like the tri colored lands over the temples. If my land is coming into play tapped, I want it to give me access to another color I can splash in there. But overall since speed is what I need, I can't worry about drawing all temples on turn 1 and not being able to play my turn one threats.

November 21, 2014 4:01 a.m.

w4rped says... #16

@Caravaneer546 Fleecemane Lion definitely is against the decks main goal of putting counters out. And yes it is not very budget either. It's a great card, but really for more agroey and less theme based like this.

November 21, 2014 4:05 a.m.

Ne0Wolf7 says... #17

I really hate to be a hater, but I lost every game I played at FNM.

November 24, 2014 2:29 p.m.

superyeti says... #18

What would you think about Test of Faith ? Seems like a perfect match for this deck

November 24, 2014 4:17 p.m.

Kataktetes says... #19

I feel like Warriors' Lesson could be very useful for card draw. it triggers heroic for 2 creatures, and has the potential of giving you 2 cards, all for one mana. that's not bad at all.. in playtesting selesnya heroic I found it very useful.

November 24, 2014 5:37 p.m.

Ne0Wolf7 says... #20

Staunch-Hearted Warrior can be good, if you have the extra manna to toss around.

November 25, 2014 1:16 p.m.

bomonro says... #21

Ever thought about Fabled Hero instead of Lagonna-Band Trailblazer?? I think that might be how I will play it... Are they not considered "Budget" cards?

November 25, 2014 3:12 p.m.

BFG says... #22

bomonro, problem with fabled isnt "non-budget", but that he is risky, dub white and 1 for a base 2/2 is so risky. Ya ... I get it cool, he has double strike but in a fast paced game, you want to finish more quickly than needing him. It's as the saying goes, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

November 25, 2014 7:36 p.m.

ALX says... #23

Hey I've been playtesting my Rakdos Aggro deck Hasty Burn against this and its a really fun match up, your deck is performing slightly better but its always very close. Great deck man, Phalanx Leader + Hardened Scales + Solidarity of Heroes is an amazing interection :)

November 26, 2014 9:27 p.m.

w4rped says... #24

Test of Faith would be an amazing card in the deck! Wish it was standard lol.

ALX Why is Phalanx Leader + Hardened Scales + Solidarity of Heroes a good combo? Phalanx leader would only give every other creature a single +1/+1 counter for every time you target it, not one for each +1+/1 you give it. Hardened Scales would add one counter for every set of counters you add, not one for one. So Hardened Scales would add two total extra counters if you targeted a heroic creature with Solidarity of Heroes (one for the initial heroic trigger, and one for the doubling effect of the card). The effect of those three cards together would be that all your creatures get two +1/+1 counters and your Phalanx Leader would get double the counters that are one him (plus one). It's not a bad interaction, but it's not a particularly more powerful one than just targeting the Phalanx Leader with a Feat of Resistance with Hardened Scales out.

November 27, 2014 1:01 a.m.

ALX says... #25

The doubling effect of Solidarity of Heroes is a separate instance of counters being placed to the Heroic trigger so wouldn't it work like this: Target Phalanx Leader triggering Heroic putting a counter on each creature which triggers Hardened Scales putting 2 counters instead of 1. Then the spell's effect doubles that to 4 and then that triggers Hardened Scales again adding 1 more for a total of 5 and obviously you can target more than one creature with Solidarity of Heroes which is what makes it even better. Is that not right?

November 27, 2014 3:19 a.m.

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