Ok, so looked up Selvala ruling, she doesn't care where the creature is when the ability resolves, just that when it entered the field it was biggest. Therefore the stack order only matters for her mana to resolver first then for the cat to bounce. Thanks though, glad i found a disgusting idea for the deck :P

Does Protean Hulk un-banning effect us at all?

trancer99 - I don't think so. Hulk doesn't suit this deck at all, cause there is no way to sacrifice him to abuse the trigger (apart from NO and Evolution and two cards are not enough).

there's life's legacy, momentous fall, and greater good but it's still probably not enough.

Now if Prime Time was banned, I think Cradle+Wirewood Lodge would be too good to pass up (the Prime Time pays for itself). C'mon Sheldon....

I sometimes find myself not being able to win cause a key combo card like sabertooth gets exiled with PTE, Swords or something like that, so... how about adding Riftsweeper? It's an elf which works in the wirewood combo and provides decent utility since creature exile is a constant threat for the deck. Shuffling it back to the library isn't that bad either since there are enough tutors to get the creatures back to the battlefield.

Perfectly fine if you find it frustrating. You can still draw yourself out of it when taking the stormy lines where you draw a lot of cards and find a staff of dom or similar combo piece.

Hi, Ive started up with a "normal" selvala (big creatures) and drifted up to a very similar list. The first thing I want to say, its an incredible deck, super fun to pilot and risky, which makes it worthwhile... you bet a lot, against counters and if the "combo" will work or just fall short in the middle. Sometimes you'll be mana short, sometimes youll miss a tutor and others youll need your finisher.My personal deck (not on this page) does have more non-combo finishers in the form of: both ulamogs, kozilek (good one) and Darksteel colossus (not sure about this one). I did this because I noticed that it was not always "easy" to go infinite, so I needed some heavy hitters (plus removal and card draw).Well back to the brewing and general questions:1. How does Memory Jar and Scroll Rack working for you? I ask because sometimes its possible to draw "too much" it does happen in this deck; as stated I think my deck is pretty similar, but I have my hitters in here.2. I do have more anti-counter strategies (ex: dosan, defense grid, gaeas herald), you have more anti artifact in this place, which is the reason for this? Have you ever thought replacing one for the other? I found out that my biggest hinder are early counters and Autumn's Veil wont always be at hand.3. which is the interaction between Duskwatch Recruiter  ^Flip and Paradox Engine? Both cards are not on my list, as stated I find sometimes difficult to go infinite.4. I do have Aluren, its just crazy!5. How do you tend to use Yisan? Isnt it too slow?6. Does Crop Rotation pay out?7. DoesHickory Woodlot work for you, isnt it a "fast" mana alternative just plain better?

sorry, but dont know why my comments are not formatted as expected :(

You're saying it's difficult to go infinite when you're running value creatures instead of things that enable the deck to go infinite? What a shock.

astorlapapa

Thanks for the kind words. To answer your questions Scroll Rack and Memory Jar work well and are integral parts of the deck due to the game ending loop they can create to win without attacking. Of the two, Memory Jar is more important in that it is a big draw spell that you can chain during a storm turn. I know of at least one good Selvala player who opts for Hornet Sting over Scroll Rack; they end the game via recurring Hornet sting w/ Eternal Witness / Temurcat after getting infinite so that's an option to explore. Personally I prefer Scroll Rack - in fact both Rack and Jar were in or options for the deck before we put the combo together.

Dosan and DGrid have both been tried and are reasonable options. Herald I think is too narrow. There is some flex to the list but most of us have found the the ratios for pump/fatties to draw to untapper must remain relatively constant. Outside of that you can adjust the flex slots and many have toyed with protection heavy packages. I recommend adjusting and in blue heavy metas, DGrid at least is a fine choice.

The interaction between Recruiter and Engine is quite simple: if you stick them both you can use your creature mana to activate recruiter, pull a creature to hand, cast it to untap your creatures, then repeat. The high density of creatures and big mana producers makes it easy to chain this all the way to a win.

Yisan is quite effective because there are many ways to win off of Phyrexian Dreadnought which Yisan can fetch on verse 1. This sets up some very easy win attempts on Turn 4 like Turn 1 Dork, Turn 2 Yisan, Turn 3 Selvala, Turn 4 tap Yisan fetch Dreadnought, Make 12 w/ Selvala cast Momentous Fall (draw 12), untapper, etc. I wouldn't say it's a must (many pilots opt for Yisan-less versions of Brostorm) though.

Thoughts on adding Surrak, the Hunt Caller as a fetchable creature that could give haste to Selvala?

I don't personally think it's worth the slot. The effect is too expensive. I'd be more inclined to run Yeva, Nature's Herald since you can flash in yeva and flash in selvala. And on that line, there's also Hall of the Bandit Lord and Winding Canyons that are probably also worth considering.

Just a couple of thoughts here. Since getting infinite mana is relatively easy, is Walking Ballista a valid wincon? I've seen discussion about running Squallmonger for an infinite mana dump, but Walking Ballista seems cleaner.

Sorry if this has been brought up, but the comments section of this deck is becoming quite large!

Thanks!

Hi Meut!

You definitely can run Walking Ballista as it doubles as kind of weak but functional removal. As a wincon I just haven't ever felt the need for it, but if you find your eternal witness and your concordant crossroads getting exiled often, it is a fine addition. Alternatively, if you don't like crossroads, walking ballista is a fine non-ewit reliant win con.

Hey guys, just curious how essential Gaea's Cradle is to the deck because i am planning on taking the deck to GP Toronto but i have limited funds for the deck before the GP and I doubt I'll have enough for all the things I'll need. Thanks in advance!

babykrugg

Cradle is not essential at all... you're not going wide like other elfball decks and your fatties and pump spells privide plenty of mana. Cradle is great but not nearly as important here. Spend you budget to upgrade elsewhere

Ok, that is what I thought but wanted to double check. Thanks for the quick and helpful reply!

babykrugg crop rotation is often fetching wirewood lodge for me. Only in rare situations am I fetching cradle instead (ie. not enough mana after fetching to activate lodge and use selvala or cradle producing more mana)

Any thoughts on Hall of the Bandit Lord? Giving Selvala haste the turn you play her seems powerful, although it ETB's tapped which is a downer.

What about Sylvan Tutor? I mean yes, it is sorcery speed, but with so many card draw spells, you can definitely use it to help set up the next fattie or combo piece.

Sylvan Tutor is ok - I run it on and off in the flex slot. The problem is that you cant use it as your first fatty to kickstart the combo unless you pass the turn (typically). It's better if you run Top slongside.

http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/rhonass-last-stand/

This is so going into my selvala Deck. Or is the side effect too much of a downside? What do you think, guys?

Any thoughts on uncage the menagerie? Seems pretty good to me

ScrOuch

Rhonass is certainly playable but its not an autoinclude. At best its a lupine prototype but the GG isnt ideal and you cant tutor for it.

Dustintaylor26

Im going to find a slot for uncage in my list. Its flexible and powerful though not quite as gamebreaking as weird harvest. Im pretty sure this card will find a permanent slot - although slots are certainly tight at this point. Im not sure what to cut.