Severely Burnt Queso
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Femme_Fatale says... #2
Na man, I know how to play RDW, and my meta knows how to face RDW. Eidolon of the Great Revel will at most be 2 damage to your opponent. Maybe 4 if it swings. But that turn three scenario means it will also do 2-6 damage to yourself. Where's the benefit? I say sideboard it because there are only certain decks it works really well against. And that is decks that don't have much removal, discard, counterspells, or tutors/toolboxes. Your opponent can use Eidolon of the Great Revel against you in counterspells on a tempo deck, effectively making you deal the same amount of damage to yourself. They can plop removal after any creature you played, once again, no massive net damage. AEther Vial and Birthing Pod both effectively get around Eidolon of the Great Revel .
He is great against some decks, but not against others. He just fails the not having an immediate benefit the moment he comes out test, which is something RDW NEEDS to have. It just comes out to your meta in the end. If your meta does not know how to deal with a Standstill the moment it comes out, then you can run Eidolon of the Great Revel easily in any game. If they do, like my meta does, then this little guy will just have a little impact.
August 14, 2014 3:06 a.m.
quesobueno123 says... #3
Hey Everyone, thanks for all the help, as you can see in my newest update I made some changes, Femme_Fatale, thispersonisagenius, ConBurnMadMan, and aeonstoremyliver How does it look now?
August 14, 2014 7:31 a.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #4
Still don't like Lightning Helix and think it should be Searing Blaze or Shard Volley . Grim Lavamancer is a little worse with no fetchlands, so I would consider dropping to two.
August 14, 2014 9:36 a.m.
quesobueno123 says... #5
thispersonisagenius Searing Blaze is now a four-of and Lightning Helix always does great for me.
August 14, 2014 9:37 a.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #6
Ah, my mistake. I think Lightning Helix is only better than Shard Volley when your life total matters, which, as the burn player, it never should. I think the Volley is more efficient, but if you see a lot of burn keep Helix in the deck.
August 14, 2014 9:41 a.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #7
@ Femme_Fatale Matches where Eidolon of the Great Revel are bad?? Hmmm, well in the mirror on the draw I would side it out for sure. Besides that, it's an all-star in every matchup. If it "only" does 2 damage and they used a spell to get rid of it, you just 2 for 1'd them. Plus they had to spend a spell on Eidolon instead of removing your Goblin Guide , which came out on turn 1, so really, that's another virtual 2 damage it has done. I'm pretty sure your opponent would rather be playing creatures or advancing their board then having to worry about a turn 2 creature. Add in fetch and shock damage on top of Guide and Eidolon damage and your opponent is looking at around 4 spells to end the game.
I know it's counter intuitive, but there is a reason that Eidolon is in almost every single Mono Red burn deck that 4-0's dailies, wins premiere's, and does well at GPs.
When the meta is MTGO, and people are finishing with great results playing Eidolon, you can't argue it. It is CARD ADVANTAGE in burn...CARD ADVANTAGE!!! Something burn rarely sees. It's a billion times better than running Sign in Blood in a burn deck. Before Eidolon of the Great Revel burn was a solid tier 1.5 deck, now it is on a different power level. I suggest you take a look at mtgtop8.com or mtggoldfish.com and take a look at how burn is preforming online, then check the decklists. As soon as I saw Eidolon I knew he would have an impact in burn.
I guess you don't care what I say, but here is an article from Ralph Levy, an MTG Hall of Fame member, I find the part about how good Eidolon is very entertaining. I guess his meta isn't very good at dealing with Eidolon though...so he got away with having 4 in the main board. http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=11956
August 14, 2014 1:12 p.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #8
By the way I like the changes to the deck, once you get fetches it should be good to go.
August 14, 2014 1:21 p.m.
quesobueno123 says... #9
ConBurnMadMan Thank you of course fetches will be hard but I will try to trade for them. A +1 is appreciated if you haven't already.
August 14, 2014 1:25 p.m.
I seemed to have missed a lot here! I'd just like to say that Eidolon of the Great Revel is the best red creature since Goblin Guide and has been a main stay in all red deck I play in all formats since it came out. First thing I did was get a foil playsets for my deck when the card came out and cost next to nothing because people did not understand the way aggressive decks work properly.
Keep them in and play with them and you'll find them to be amazing! :)
August 14, 2014 1:37 p.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #12
Just to add my own two cents on Eidolon of the Great Revel .. I think he fits the flavor of Burn perfectly.. Seeing as the general idea of Burn, RDWs, & most Aggro in general; is to put the game on a very short clock, ending the game as soon as possible. But to focus on Burn in particular; this is a deck where virtually every spell is capable of dealing damage directly to face, while other decks are using their cards either to counter, disrupt hand and/or board state, and/or do other things to advance their own board state.. So they're taking damage from all of that in a format overflowing with fetch- & shock-lands. Therefore, even though you're also taking a Shock to the face for every spell too, the balance of lifeloss would invariably tilted in the (fetch-less) Burn's favor..
Not to mention if you manage to have two out on turn 3, you do create something of a Red equivalent to Standstill --to the effect of-- Whenever a player casts a spell they take a Boros Charm to the face.. (That also gets around Leyline of Sanctity if I'm not mistaken..)
Much love for Dega Burn! :D
Btw, What are your thoughts on Blightning , and Shrine of Burning Rage ?
August 14, 2014 3:07 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #13
It doesn't get through Leyline of Sanctity , Metroid_Hybrid. If it says target it doesn't go through, because you can't be targeted.
@:ConBurnMadMan "I'm pretty sure your opponent would rather be playing creatures or advancing their board then having to worry about a turn 2 creature."
See, when facing an RDW deck, you do all you can to destroy their creatures. Because they have the most damage per card. All you have to do to win against an RDW deck is to prevent enough damage till they go into topdecking mode and you've won.
When I think of Eidolon of the Great Revel , I think of legacy's Pyrostatic Pillar . Pyrostatic Pillar is MUCH harder to remove, legacy is LITTERED with more <=3 cmc cards then modern is, and yet it is only used in the sideboard.
And that article, is very counter-intuitive. At the very start he says this: "Basic Mountains as your only lands could be an option, as managing your life total is crucial with this deck". Why run Eidolon of the Great Revel if you need to be managing your life total? And a general occurrence of 2-4 damage? Why not just run Keldon Marauders for a general occurrence of 2-5 damage, that doesn't hit you in the face? He also says that he didn't do too well with the deck. And quite frankly, I can see why. I never use Searing Blood in modern ever, it isn't worth it to have to rely on your opponent's board to provide advantage. Same with Searing Blaze . I don't ever use it because the chance of you not having a land played when you get this card is too high, making it a dead card. Molten Rain in the mainboard? Far too slow. Relic of Progenitus in the sideboard? When it can make Grim Lavamancer useless? Not using Blood Moon when it can slow down your opponent 2-3 turns?
These are all things I would never consider doing at this day, and they're backed by the numerous times I failed because I did those things in the past.
August 14, 2014 3:44 p.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #14
Eidolon has the advantage over pyrostatic of turning sideways...I run 20 mountains in my version so I can drop 2 Eidolons if necessary. He didnt do well, placing in the top 200 of a GP with over 2k people. Every three damage you do while taking two advances the life total parity by one. In a burn deck, life total parity is all you have. It also plays well with Lavamancer since it doesn't hit you when you use his ability. I stand by my record on mtgo since it was released, and by the placing percentages it has on mtgo right now. Second most 4-0 and 3-1 finishes in dailies on mtggoldfish with 90% plus a f those decks mainboarding Eidolon.
Leyline is really only played in two decks, bogles and SS. These are your two worst matchups anyway. In a tourney, you aren't going to be favored in n every matchup, so I'm just happy happy those two decks are a very small percentage of the meta. Small enough that wasting board slots is something you really don't need to waste your time on.
August 14, 2014 4:03 p.m.
quesobueno123 says... #15
Femme_Fatale I really like Eidolon of the Great Revel and Searing Blaze . But I don't play Relic of Progenitus sideboard.
August 14, 2014 4:26 p.m.
quesobueno123 says... #16
I need cards for my two remaining sideboard slots, any suggestions?
August 14, 2014 4:26 p.m.
quesobueno123 says... #18
Femme_Fatale I like Rain of Gore a lot I think I'll try that.
August 14, 2014 4:31 p.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #19
@quesobueno123 Lots of players are opting for Flames of the Blood Hand for this type of effect. It's always no life gain and 4 damage versus what could amount to no life gain 1 damage sometimes.
August 14, 2014 4:43 p.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #20
I would also suggest 2 Skullcrack mainboard instead of 3.
August 14, 2014 4:44 p.m.
JovialKnoll says... #21
I like the deck! Question: is Searing Blaze that good even without any fetchlands?
August 15, 2014 4:25 p.m.
quesobueno123 says... #22
darklink259 It's still quite good. Thanks for the +1
August 15, 2014 4:51 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #25
Femme_Fatale Eidolon of the Great Revel gets through Leyline of Sanctity . It's ability doesn't target.
DeletedNow4ever says... #1
Keep on doing what your doing. Don't listen to anyone that tells you to drop Eidolon of the Great Revel , in fact, you should up it to 4. People who think it will "do more damage to you int he long run" have not played burn in modern. Your spells are hitting them for 3 damage on average, so the two damage you are getting hit with doesn't matter since they are 3 damage closer to dieing and you have managed to outpace damage dealt to you by 1. Eidolon of the Great Revel comes down on your turn 2 most of the time if you have 4 copies meaning that their turn 3 is when it starts its effect on the game. It is virtual card advantage in Red burn decks which is crazy. It is like casting a burn spell for two damage to their face FOR FREE whenever they cast something 3cmc or less...which in modern is 85% of all the cards in the format! Again, FREE 2 damage burn spells in a format littered with fetch and shock lands! Burn and RDW needed to get to that magical 20 damage through 7 spells before, but with Eidolon it is more like 5, throw Goblin Guide in there and you are at something that is more like 4-5. It drives the power level of this deck up and into a place where it can hang with all of the tier 1 decks with ease. Raising your CMC will only slow you down which is something RDW and Burn decks do NOT want to do. Ball Lightning and friends is not the way you want to go, you want to go under the other deck and reduce the amount of 3 damage spells you need (7 before Eidolon's printing) with Eidolon of the Great Revel and get to 20 as fast as possible. That being said, I have been playing Burn mono red to reduce the amount of life I take from Eidolon and haven't been missing any of the other colored spells in the deck.
I like Molten Rain in the mainboard simply because it catches a lot of decks off guard. I do not like the inclusion of Vexing Devil because he is not very good outside of turn 1, I like Mogg Fanatic and Pillar of Flame in the deck because of how rough the pod match up can be. Anyway, congrats on top 8 with this list.
August 14, 2014 1:21 a.m.