Shouldnt you have more basic lands or deserts for Shefet Monitor? You can only use him 4 times then hes useless. And thats if all your basics are still in your deck. I don't see how you're producing so much land with your combo.

Sorry for taking so long to respond to your comments, I've been especially busy recently.

@MisterPoverty

Not really. Vs control, you have Faith of the Devoted post SB, which can win games by t6-7 as well, which you easily have time for.

@Furbag

Thanks haha! My friend sent me the link, and from there I know that I've peaked.

@Noctem

Yep, the deck is pretty strong imo.

@swimitch19

You only really need like 2 or 3 lands off of of your Shefets for them to be good, as you don't really need that much mana, you really just need an extra mana or two to kickstart the combo, as sometimes a single Vizier of Tumbling Sands isn't enough to cast your first Shadow of the Grave.

Love it! I don't really have a suggestion, mainly because I never thought of using New Perspectives, but this as been added to my Found Decks folder.

Good Job!

I went 3-1 at an fnm with the list when there was only 1 cast out and i really like the deck. The only deck I lost to was u/w spirits and that player had the luckiest hands of all time.

I don't understand how you are supposed to cast approach twice in one turn, or how it can win as early as turn 5

For the last few days I am planning to create a deck like yours and I would like to ask you for your insight:1. Even if the opponent counters/discards any combo piece, in response we can keep cycling until we find/recast Censor, so there is no problem there right? 2. In case we face a Lost Legacy what is the backup plan? 3. Commit / Memory wouldn't be a good add (one of)?4. Did you playtest the new list? If so what were the match ups and the outcomes?

AwedOne

The goal of the deck is to get to turn 5-6 and cast New Perspectives. If that resolves, you can now cast cycle cards for 0. So, you play cycle cards until you hit the key ones like Shefet Monitor and Vizier of Tumbling Sands. These are the big ones because they get you an untapped land out of your deck in the case of the monitor + draw you a card OR untap a permanent (a land) and draw you a card. With that kind of engine, it's pretty simple to dig for or set up a great Shadow of the Grave which you will be able to cast thanks to either getting untapped lands via monitor or untapping stuff via vizier. So that's the basic idea.

Now to set up the win con, you need to dig for Approach of the Second Sun. After enough digging, getting free lands and untapping stuff + bringing it all back to hand via Shadow of the Grave only to recast everything for free, you should get enough mana to cast Approach then untap all your lands and cast it again.

Or another win-con is via Faith of the Devoted which frankly is probably the easier way to win. You can also run Drake Haven as an alternate win-con or a replacement win-con over either previous options.

The deck has many ways to set up and win. I've playtested the deck vs a friend and the moment I resolved New Perspectives I won 4/5 games we played. The one I lost was due to variance more so than anything.

I took this to FNM and went 4-1 with it. My only loss was to a buddy of mine who had extensive play testing against it. And even then I lost 1-2 I kept pretty greedy hands. I would like to point out something really cool that I did with the deck in one of the matches. My opponent cast lost legacy on me and names approach from the second sun. Seemed shitty because I did not sideboard at all against him. So the next turn I combo off with new perspectives and just cast all 4 Shefnet Monitors, needless to say I swung for lethal on the next turn. Kind of a neat out, thought Y'all would like to hear that.

I'm sorry,I guess I haven't tested it enough but I don't see how people are getting so much mana out. I mean obviously it works for people but I can't generate any substantial mana. You tap 6 Mana for New Perspectives and 2 for each Shadow of the Grave, that's tapping 14 total, or 28 total if you add the Mana needed to win with Approach of the Second Sun. But if you cycle all of your Vizier of Tumbling Sands the max 5 times you can that gets you 20 mana back, and that can get up to 24 if you are able to fully use your Shefet Monitors. And that's if you don't draw your library out before doing this.I'm sorry I don't mean to hate or sound skeptical because obviously a ton of people got this to work and it does seem fun, I'm just genuinely confused.

WOW! Again, I haven't had much time to comment lately due to work, but thanks you all for your advice and input! Thank you to all of you guys!

@Jace090

Haha thanks for the compliments. It means a lot.

@johnny115115

That's great to hear! I will be bringing this deck to FNM soon and will definitely be posting my results.

@AwedOne

Noctem cleared it up exceptionally well. Thanks man, really helps out since I have been constrained for time.

@TolisDRufus

Yes, that does work, as long as you retain the 7+ hand size that New Perspectives requires. It can be tricky, but yes, I guess that does work. The backup plan vs Lost Legacy is to hard cast your creatures I guess. It isn't strong, but in principle it does work. I would love to add some Negates to the SB, but I feel like they just cost too much mana compared to Dispel, but I could see a justification for the change. People have generally cut Lost Legacy completely as Saheeli-Combo is gone from the meta, so it is probably unnecessary.

@MisterPoverty

Haha that's hilarious. Thank you for sharing that! It is definitely a play that can be made to win a game or two before people realize that they should be naming New Perspectives.

@swimitch19

No problem haha! If you are mid combo and don't already have a Weirding Wood out, make sure to cast it on your land before using the Viziers unless necessary. This will literally double the amount of mana you produce. Hope that clears things up and helps you get all the mana you need!

Yeah I love the deck. This is the standard equivalent to storm that I wanted. Not with aether flux. It slower than this. If you have New perspectives and have 7 or more cards after the draw you basically win because so much of the deck has cycling and if the land base didn't have cycling then this deck wouldn't be possible. One thing I changed for the meta of my lgs is that I took out the 4 anticipate for 4 sweltering suns because now you take out all the aggro decks with really small creatures like u/w spirits and any sort of go wide strategies.

Is this deck capable playing for gameday? My current meta is a ton of Fling Pummler and 2-3 Mardu aggro, a abzan season's past and I am sure someone is going to play jeskai control or somesort of blue control deck. I am concerned that I will not be able to beat the control decks.

@johnny115115

Yea I've definately been considering Sweltering Suns for a while now, but my lgs is pretty small and has almost no aggro decks. Seems like a solid addition, as I can even bring it in vs the drake control decks so that I can stop the pressure. Please tell me how it goes!

@Falcons25irvine

The deck will almost always beat aggro, but vs control it struggles. For that reason, Faith of the Devoted comes in and quickly drains them out after 10 cycles, while simultaneously keeping your life total high enough to eat the board's damage.

Okay didn't think of that in the sideboard. So do you think this can beat the abzan seasons past deck with a main board of 3x Anguish Unmaking and 2x lost legacy? with a sideboard built for artifact/enchantment hate?

I love this deck I am a Jank player at heart and this is the most playable Jank I have seen (Jank to me is something that nobody could think of)but I really want to win gameday so if this deck can win then I will be all over it.

I've just played about 8 games against vehicles and lost 5 out of 8 and I lost five out of 8 because ech time I had five lands and need a 6th I would cycle some other card rather that the monitor and would not get a land. So for anyone else trying to play the deck never be scared to cycle the monitor just for the extra mana during the combo, you don't need it. Sorry for so many comments, I really love this deck!

I've been keeping my ear to the ground for this deck and one thing I've seen be really effective is a Gideon of the Trials. The brew they had was much more fog based with Repel the Abominable, Encircling Fissure, and Haze of Pollen. They instead relied on Fevered Visions and Pull from Tomorrow for their draw and I didn't see any New Perspectives. Now I am by no means saying to overhaul your whole deck, just letting you know what I see people doing with Approach of the Second Sun so maybe you can use some of their work to makes yours better.

Of the cards I saw the guy use, Gideon of the Trials seems the most useful, but I'm not sure if you have the space for it.

@Falcons25irvine

Abazan seasons seems like a bad match-up haha, but that deck sounds so greedy that if your store is big enough that deck will always lose the first game so if you win yours you won't play vs it haha. That sounds weird but most decks people bring are awful jank, so you should be able to win game one. This deck is pretty good imo, and could definitely stand a solid chance if people don't pack lots of SB hate, of which they likely won't. Also, the Shefets can definitely be tricky, but are often key in saving yourself. No problem, I'm here to answer your questions, and am happy to do so!

@Zaueski

That's a whole other deck that doesn't otk. These are very different decks with different matchups (I would presume).

Actually I have a very small store an average 10-12 people and it drops during high school football season because a lot of the kids are in band. The store is extremely competitive most people meta game it which sucks because I can't play any of my janky brews.

@ Scorprix

If you have free time could you plz take a look at my approach? It is almost similar to yours, but my SB is more control orriented, transforming the main into a control deck. This is my list:

Lands (25):

4 x Scattered Groves (Cycling)

4 x Irrigated Farmland (Cycling)

4 x Fetid Pools (Cycling)

4 x Sheltered Thicket (Cycling)

2 x Swamp

2 x Forest

3 x Island

2 x Aether Hub

Spells (28):

3 x Shadow of the Grave

1 x Approach of the Second Sun

4 x New Perspectives

4 x Haze of Pollen (Cycling)

3 x Censor (Cycling)

2 x Gift of Paradise

2 x Dissenter's Deliverance (Cycling)

4 x Cast Out (Cycling)

1 x Negate

1 x Forsake the Worldly (Cycling)

3 x Hieroglyphic Illumination (Cycling)

Creatures (7):

4 x Vizier of Tumbling Sands (Cycling)

3 x Shefet Monitor (Cycling)

Sideboard (15):

2 x Dovin Baan

1 x Torrential Gearhulk

3 x Faith of the Devoted

3 x Fumigate

2 x Disallow

4 x Spell Queller

you do realize... If they counter Approach of the Second Sun, you're done.

Or Disallow the second copy.

@-Arcanity- and Argy

Not a lot of decks play counterspells, or at least enough to constantly draw them. And against the ones that do you have your SB to beat control.

Your meta sounds VERY different to mine.

A lot of Control with Counter spells up the wazoo, and Duress, not to mention Lost Legacy.

@Argy

My meta is pretty reflective of the overall metagame, since people really like going trihard haha. Lots of RUG Energy and RDW, byt there is UB Control, but that deck actually only plays like 7 or 8 counterspells mainboard, and most of them are Censors which are really easy to play around.

I also just realized i haven't updated this online list since rotation, so I should probably do that.