Sharuum Combos: Infinite Possibilities [Primer]
Commander / EDH
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kingdingeling136 says... #2
Thank you very much for answering.
At the moment iam testing a very similar list. can you say somethink about Lim-Dul's Vault ?i never tested the card. and how can you win on turn one ?
a card that is good for itself, but segnificant whors when you want to combo out is Yawgmoth's Will. it only can prepare for the combo, cause it exiles all cards, that where put in to your graveyard. are you think about to change that card?what is your experience with it?
thank you very much for your answers and kind regards from germany
March 30, 2017 10:54 a.m.
Lim-Dul's Vault is just another Vampiric Tutor but you might end up paying a lot more life (highest I paid was 15 but it finds my combo piece to win why do I need the life?)
Yawgmoth's Will is mostly a recover card, if early game my artifact ramps got destroyed I can replay their from graveyard. I also have value instants and tutors they are great for reuse. The card is not easy to see its value from test play yourself, but in real competitive playgroup you will find opponents disrupt you almost every turn, value card is the only one that can keep you in the game.
March 30, 2017 11:14 a.m.
chaosumbreon87 says... #4
I may not be the person who you asked the question to but ill chime in here. Lim dul's is quite possibly one of the best tutor to me. The main thing I used to tend to look for (when I used to play sharuum), was intuition. Intuition is quite possibly the best tutor in the deck. It basically reads I win next turn with bitter ordeal combo, altar of the brood (when I played budget), and so much more. Yawg's will to me is plan C.
anything you want to add/change oo7x7oo? also, what are your thoughts on traumatize here. Yes its a high CMC but the allowance for combos might be worth looking into. Also guessing no timetwister due to price? Time spiral and timetwisters negatives for this deck tend to not be so bad to sharuum but your opinion?
March 30, 2017 11:15 a.m.
I really don't like Traumatize because it usually takes a turn to setup and there is no guarantee I win after I mill half of my deck. It's hard to imagine in my playgroup opponents cannot find an answer if they have one entire turn to react.
I took out Windfall out because I didn't like wheel, give opponents cards = give them solution or combo pieces as well. In competitive meta wheel is very risky, which is opposite of what I am trying to achieve as a consistent combo deck. I would rather get Mishra's Workshop than Timetwister
March 30, 2017 11:35 a.m.
chaosumbreon87 says... #6
fair enough. I guess I'm too used to leovold, spirit of the labyrinth and messing with plays through tef's puzzle box. also you have acccess to dimir for notion thief and c sphinx but ill concede your points. Wheels are bad to everyone but nekusar.
March 30, 2017 11:44 a.m.
kingdingeling136 says... #8
Thank you as always for the answer. Have you tested Tezzeret Agend of Bolas for continius draw? What i found out in my testing process was, that i ran out of gas when i played my hand.
And have you concidered to play Cruel Tutor?
In the next few days iam gonna buy the cards from my List. Iam very excited for the real cards. I just test the deck in XMage.
April 1, 2017 2:36 p.m.
willis1234 says... #9
also, Thopter Assembly combos with Time Sieve because it gives you 5 thopters that you can sack to the time sieve.
April 1, 2017 2:47 p.m.
I actually took Thopter Assembly out long time ago because it doesn't do anything with any other cards, my experience of drawing the card is very unsatisfactory.
April 1, 2017 2:56 p.m.
kingdingeling136 sorry I missed your post. No I haven't tried Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas, it's not bad in a casual group where planeswalkers can stick few turns. Due to the fact that I have very limited ability to protect planeswalkers plus only his first ability is relevant for my deck I don't think I will ever use it.
Cruel Tutor is terrible, I rather go for Diabolic Tutor if Grim Tutor or Imperial Seal is too expensive for you.
Btw, I added a section shows a few turn 1 win combos to answer the question you asked the other day. Thanks for bringing it up so I have ideas to improve my description.
April 1, 2017 8:58 p.m. Edited.
kingdingeling136 says... #12
Hi thank you.
I have one more request. What would be the standard/best Intuition search, if nothing is on the table. i would say Blasting Station,Phyrexian Metamorph and Sculpting Steel? But with this, you need 9 Mana for the next turn. Is there a better option?
The problem with Imperial Seal and Grim Tutor is, that they are not on the reserved list. I realy dont wanna spend that much money on reprintable cards. i think about to buy a Mishra's Workshop. That price will definitely not drop in the future. But Grim Tutor is worthy a consideration.
April 2, 2017 5:59 a.m.
Yes. Assume you have no other cards in hand and battlefield has nothing then the Intuition targets will be those you mentioned, and yes it will take 9 mana to execute the combo that's why this deck needs a lot of mana rocks to pull combos out fast.
April 2, 2017 11:56 a.m.
kingdingeling136 says... #14
Thank you very much. You are a very patient person
April 2, 2017 4:48 p.m.
kingdingeling136 says... #16
Hi,
what would you take out for an Imperial Seal and a Grim Tutor ?Would you cut counters ?
Kind regards from germany
April 12, 2017 6:33 a.m.
kingdingeling136: If you are willing to commit expensive cards you can consider take apart a less efficient combo, one suggestion is the extra turn combo: Time Sieve, Myr Battlesphere, and Master Transmuter, that will give you 3 more slots.
I personally don't want to go that far and thin down my deck combos (against my main deck concept: Infinite possibilities), so I would go for counter spells, probably Swan Song or Arcane Denial; also Solemn Simulacrum is not really needed in the deck although he can be a combo piece because the deck has too many efficient synergies.
April 12, 2017 11:40 a.m.
kingdingeling136 says... #18
Hey,i have tested i very similar list and i am very convinced. The deck is very difficult to play, but thats what iam loving about it. you have soooo many options, even if one thing got handled.I will post my list tomorrow. At the moment my friends realy dont know what card for a combo is needed ;)
I buy the last cards next month and than it is finnished :D
Thanks for you support
April 22, 2017 11:44 a.m.
Perfect! I am very glad you are having fun. I look forward to see your deck list. I will update my deck in two weeks after I finish my exam. I have been testing on the side and decided to go more competitive, improve average win from turn 5 to close to turn 4.
April 22, 2017 4:05 p.m.
kingdingeling136 says... #20
Hi,
i have seen, that you added Altar of the Brood and Artificer's Intuition. That is a very good idea. What did you cut out for it? and did you playtested the chosen cards ?
greetz from germany
May 2, 2017 10:35 a.m.
Yes I have tested around 9 cards altogether and they seem to increase consistency by much, improve my win to average of 4.5 turn.
I believe you can see my recent change log, I added 4 cards that can be searched using Artificer's Intuition.
May 2, 2017 11:34 a.m.
kingdingeling136 says... #22
i LIKE Artificer's Intuition alot. You can discard an Artfact direct in your graveyard and get the mana rocks (or the altar) you need early. It is fucking brilliant :DI think i will at it to my list too.
May 2, 2017 5:12 p.m.
No, not Memory Jar. I don't think the deck can fully utilize its value.
May 2, 2017 7:44 p.m.
chaosumbreon87 says... #25
Is there a reason for no ancient den? Also no helm rip or helm leyline? Assuming no budget currently for imperial seal, grim tutor or academy ruins
oo7x7oo says... #1
First of all, thank you kingdingeling136 for the upvote. To answer your question yes I have thought about Planar Bridge but it's not a good card in my deck for many reasons:1. This is a very fast deck that I expect to win turn 5 or earlier if uncontested. Being able to provide 6 + 8 mana for a permanent is not realistic.2. If I have infinite mana I win with either Planar Bridge or Ring of Three Wishes by grabbing Staff of Domination, but if staff is not in my library, ring can still get Stroke of Genius. 3. I am much willing to commit Ring of Three Wishes early game because it costs less and I can find counter spells to protect my combos oppose to Planar Bridge can only find Defense Grid for partial protection.
In my deck Ring of Three Wishes is superior in almost all situations.
March 28, 2017 5:48 p.m.