Most people do :-) Food chain is Sidisi's primary advantage over all other BUG commanders. It only works for only her and it is really good.

Thanks man. Btw when you get time check out my sidisi deck, I believe I have refined it to be what I want. Somewhat explosive, but have backups in case things go wrong. Of course heavily influenced by your decks, but I do think I have kept some of the original concepts that I love. Whenever you get a chance.

Lastly, I've created a new EDH deck. I like to get all kinds of eyepoints, would you mind taking a look at it too whenever your free and let me know of any and all suggestions for either deck.

Evolution is too slow. I'll take it from here.

Awesome, thanks for the feedback guys.

I used to run Gitrog Combo with a Dread Return, Necrotic Ooze win as well. One this i noticed is that any graveyard hate is a hard stop to this plan as well as Sidisi's effect, (Leyline of the Void, Rest in Peace). Might I recommend a bit more ways to deal with that? Krosan Grip because it also stops nekusar+bell+MOM, and Beast Within because it deals with troublesome lands and walkers.

Also, have you looked into the new double etb trigger artifact for this deck? Might be a solid inclusion here.

maddoxmtg - This deck is extremely explosive. Granted, yes, opening hand Leyline of the Void or turn two Rest in Peace can definitely be troubling, but there are plenty of tutors and whatnot to assemble other combos. I.E. Food Chain, Mike and Trike, ect.

Also what is the double ETB Artifact?

It is a spoiler from kaladesh called Panharmonicon. here is the link. Linktext

And I just mean that most of your combos revolve around the graveyard and leyline and rip shut those down completely.

Definitely slows it down, but doesn't stop it completely. I have Woodfall Primus in my version in case of stuff like that. And interesting card.

It does look promising. Have you had a chance to look at my deck, I like to draw a lot? I was hoping to get some tips on it because you seem to know commander really well.

Pheardemons: I will gladly look at your decks.

maddoxmtg: Your concerns are certainly valid. Simply put, this deck does not have enough removal in it. I took a bunch out to test some cards. Chain of Vapor is currently my go to card for removing a troublesome permanent the turn I want to combo off. I also really like Beast Within, Nature's Claim, and Reclamation Sage. That double etb card is insane and since I already have an ultra fast all in combo deck for sidisi, this one may revert back to its roots a bit and go a little bit etb crazy. Then again I really want to incorportate a Leovold, Emissary of Trest package that includes a Windfall, Whispering Madness, and Jace's Archivist. Both Food Chain and Leovold have amazing synergy with one drop mana dorks and the wheels will help make Yawgmoth's Will even more broken. In short the last 3 sets have been extremely kind to Sidisi. Also, I would be happy to give your deck a look over

Thank you for any info you can supply for my decks. Additionally, if you want to play leovold, might i recommend a certain puzzle box? It is a nice hard lock with him and fun in a deck where you foodchain into a ton of creatures. my buddy has a sidisi deck with just food chain and tutors as the only non creatures. he then uses leovold and the puzzle box as a hard lock and just keeps his lands in hand to cycle away for more creatures.

I dislike this deck very much. I have been fighting the urge to go Sultai for the longest time. I'm almost ready to give in because of this.

I am not a fan of the LabMan though. Do you have any other win con in mind that is as quick and effective? I'm thinking of using my Future Sight - Sickening Dreams combo as a possible alternative.

Oops, wrong deck. I thought I was looking at the Leovold one. Lol

maddoxmtg: My issue for puzzle box for this deck is that it doesn't advance the purpose of this deck. This is a midrange reanimator deck so I really only want discard effects. Leo would serve only as a hatebear, who also does very bad things with wheels.

I know all too well the degeneracy of Leo. I did create this horrible brew after all Oh, I'm Sorry....Did I break your concentration? that our friend Megalomania hates, yet is drawn to. I take your ambivalance as high praise :-) Embrace the dark side brother!

Honestly for all his power Leo doesn't really do any wincondition better than he does labman. He can't exploit Food Chain like sidisi, infinite mana like tasigur, or Buried Alive like mimeoplasm. Your future sight combo would work. Honestly if you get a wheel off with leo any combo will close out the game pretty easily. I have also seen some good storm brews with him at the helm that could win via Candelabra of Tawnos + Capsize + High Tide . Leo plus Teferi's Puzzle Box and Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir is also a hard lock.

If you ran a heavier curve in Leovold, you could potentially include Necrotic Ooze + Phyrexian Devourer + Triskelion since he runs a bunch of wheel effects. This way there's less concern about discarding a bunch of potential win conditions.

enpc: A small reanimator package could definitely be good. My only issue with the necrotic ooze combo is it is only viable early. Then again a simple Day's Undoing could reset your library. If you go that route also add Mikaeus, the Unhallowed since it gives you a second good 2 card combo for just 1 more card slot.

Won't that slow this deck down? It seems somewhat random and out of place for a deck that is meant to be combo to the finish line. Just curious to your reasoning.

Agree with Pheardemons on this one. While I'm all for Leo as just a decent creature, it seems like you will be diluting the deck by trying to focus on him and Windfall effects. If you are feeling the need for more counterspells and removal, the windfall stuff would by my guess as first cuts. That and maybe one of Void Winnower or Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur. Jin more so now that you have cut your instant speed reanimate effects.

Can you explain your thoughts on Mirror-Mad Phantasm? Yes it has a Hermit Druid like effect that be used as soon as it's played, but for 7 mana at the minimum (unless you are reanimating it). I guess you can say that it can dodge removal, but that just seems to be such a high mana cost.

Leo will not be a focus. Hes just a solid hate bear that protects my permanents and can all but win the game with a wheel. Jace's Archivist and Windfall were already borderline includes in this deck and Leo can be put into play with Green Sun's Zenith unlike Notion Thief. Leo just puts them over the top and acts as proactive protection for my combos. It strips away counterspells and removal. Only time will tell if your right Pheardemons, and I agree that Leo will be the first to go if I need more removal. I added Trygon Predator and Nature's Lore as a stopgap measure.

Mirror-Mad Phantasm will be Entombed Survival of the Fittested or Buried Alived. I don't believe in payng casting costs as a general rule.

Catgroove: Another reason I am using mirror mad is that I am adding Memory's Journey Deep Analysis and potentially Gitaxian Probe so when I mill everything I can shuffle back into my deck Yawgmoth's Will, Songs of the Damned, and Gitaxian Probe, which will allow me to reanimate everything. I am juat testing. I wont know for a bit if this helps or hinders

"I don't believe in playing mana costs"

This XD

I'm glad to see the strong update to the deck. I was reading through the combos and was a bit worried about how you would force them through counterspells, which, even with yours does worry me a bit. Some disprution still comes to mind, like krosan grip before you go off, and Counterflux on the yagmoths will. The other thing with Tooth and Nail, just grab good old Mike and Trike. Just some thoughts.

maddoxmtg: What your describing is the primary weakness of Sidisi ;-/ She requires a critical mass of creatures, which limits how many interactive spells you can have in your list. I feel like Force of Will would help but my deck is too green/black to support FOW. My other sidisi deck has far fewer creatures and that limits her to being an outlet for food chain. I am attempting to keep her an integral part of this deck. My primary Tooth and Nail target is mike and trike. The tidespout combo is simply there as a graveyardless win condition that I just so happen to be using most the cards for anyways. Its plan F most games. As for getting combos through I am relying on speed and the fact that people often underestimate how powerful sidisi can be and will focus there disruption towards better known generals like Zur or Karador. Moreover people can't just play reactively and the deck does a good job of recurring threats so I can win a game of attrition and sneak my combo through if my opponents overextend.

I am glad to see that you are understanding your commanders weakness and playing around it. I find that is something that a lot of people struggle with. It is something I am still going through with Arjun and some of my other decks like Duran. I didn't play blue for a very long time in EDH because I played it so much in standard and modern and felt that I needed to branch out. After I went to blue, I felt like it is actually the second weakest solo color in EDH behind red (honestly, I don't count commanders like Muzzio, and Arcum Daggson as they often don't care about their colors as much as the artifacts, basically Colorless generals). Attempting to interact with everyone at once is such a drag on my mind.

Like is said, Teferi might not be a bad idea for your deck. Helps your creatures cast off at instant speed and stops any interaction with you. Venser, Shaper Savant and other creatures that essentially counter spells are awesome for you as well. It is your best way to interact.

maddoxmtg; I totally agree. Seeing weaknesses in one's commander is both hard (bias) and absolutely necesaary. I have used venser in the past when my primary win conditions was Deadeye Navigator + Peregrine Drake and Ghostly Flicker. Even then, 4 mana for a pseudo counterspell was about 3-4 mana too much. Sure it could help me interact some against my opponents combos, but I could never use it to protect mine. Teferi I like alot more, since he is in my birthing pod sweet spot (5cc) and I can play him the turn before I go off. The triple blue hurts though. I have also tinkered with Dosan the Falling Leaf in the past since he is can be played turn 2 fairly consistently and is a prime Eldritch Evolution target off my one drop mana dorks. Hes definitely not great, but for my purposes he fits well. I think I need to add one of those two soon. Thank you for reminding me of those options.

Of course. Us blue-esq wizards have to stick together.

What do you all think about Shardless Agent? I'm trying to get my creature artifact and blue sources up. With the quality of my zero, one, and two drops in the deck, this just screams pure value play every game.

Also if I get enough broken cheap artifacts in my deck I might also add Transmute Artifact to the deck.