Kalibroxin says... #2
Not all Morph decks have to be Midrange aggro. This deck is a Midrange Control deck, and can't afford to have many low-impact cards. Secret Plans is the only card between the two that I would consider, but there are a lot of other things I would rather be doing with the two mana.
October 26, 2015 7:50 a.m.
HairyManBack says... #4
Caught your recent comment on Spootyone's Simic article part II. Very good points from a seasoned vet. You confirmed with this on and off 12 year player what I've seen with the mold. I like your direction of your Simic build. I will consider this very much in my own build.
October 29, 2015 7:50 p.m.
Kalibroxin says... #5
Thank you. I just hope I can educate players about what to expect from a Simic Deck, regardless of what the current meta is. While the power level of Simic changes from set to set, the overall feel and limitations are always present.
October 30, 2015 7:54 a.m.
Kalibroxin says... #8
Deathmist Raptor and Whisperwood Elemental are not as well-suited for this deck as the other spells I've selected. This deck wants to play creatures with spell-like abilities, and use countermagic to keep the opponent from stopping them. Deathmist Raptor and Whisperwood Elemental may provide a certain value, but not the value I'm looking for in a Simic Deck.
October 30, 2015 8:20 a.m.
HairyManBack says... #9
I was thinking more on your build and it inspired me to look at making a strait Simic morph deck. Right now I'm working with the following:
G/W Megamorph is Dead. May Temur Live On
I splashed red for the burn and Ire Shaman. Obviously this is an aggressive build with various value cards. However, it would be excellent to find a niche for pure Simic. I'll shoot a link to you when finished and playtested on the field. I'd like to know what you think.
Stay cool
October 30, 2015 9:52 p.m.
what could i use to replace the Den Protector's? i have most of the deck besides that and i don't wanna splurge on the Den Protectors yet.
November 2, 2015 2:35 p.m.
HairyManBack says... #11
How about Windswept Heath and Prairie Stream or Flooded Strand and Canopy Vista mana base? The deck doesn't run off of 2-green but 2-blue. Does Thornwood Falls get in the way much?
November 2, 2015 8:36 p.m.
Oh, I'm gonna keep my eye on this deck. Currently happy with my GW/u megamorph (the blue is all about countering spells), but I'm open to blue shenanigans of all sorts.
November 2, 2015 11:39 p.m.
Kalibroxin says... #13
@HairyManBack: The mana base has never been a problem, and since I don't have any spells that cost 1 mana, tapped lands don't slow me down in the slightest. Later in the game, when I have more mana dorks and Kiora available, tapped lands still don't cause problems, as they are often just held in my hand to bluff control spells.
@jubale: Blue is really the main focus of this deck, and green adds the support/ramp for the rest of the deck. Blue is extremely important to the success of the deck. If you haven't tried Adverse Conditions yet, trust me, it is extremely powerful, and an overlooked control spell.
November 3, 2015 7:59 a.m.
Kalibroxin says... #14
@Simba24: The only way to replace Den Protector is to either use a combination of Greenwarden of Murasa, another Adverse Conditions, or another Scatter to the Winds. More often than not, Den Protector retrieves one of these two spells. Greenwarden of Murasa is easily cast with this deck, and is given plenty of fuel by means of Kiora.
November 3, 2015 8:08 a.m.
I'm sure it has been said before, but I think Deathmist Raptor would be great here. I'm not sure if it's a preference or budget. Also have you considered Trail of Mystery or Obscuring AEther?
November 4, 2015 8:07 a.m.
Kalibroxin says... #16
Please check the comments in the updates.
Thank you.
November 4, 2015 8:17 a.m.
dougiefresh420247 says... #17
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/25-07-15-trail-of-mystery/ this was my version pre rotation like yours alot think maybe a jace would be useful here
November 4, 2015 8:08 p.m.
HairyManBack says... #19
Jace would be hardly any use here. It doesn't fit with the motion.
November 4, 2015 9:26 p.m.
Kalibroxin says... #20
One of the original designs for the deck had Jace and Deathmist Raptor, but like I've said before, powerful cards don't always fit in every deck of that color. Here's some of the reasons I pulled Jace and Deathmist:
Jace:
1: Being an 0/2, Jace would never be able to go on the offensive midgame if I needed the extra 2 damage after an Adverse Conditions. Even Rattleclaw Mystic (and now Leaf Gilder) has been able to do 2-4 damage in games.
2: I don't have many cards that I would want to give "flashback"
3: When this deck is being proactive, it doesn't want to play a card like Jace, because without many high-end game finishers as other midrange decks, you have to get as much offense as you can, and Jace has none.
4: During playtesting, Jace often sat in my hand, because I was wanting to cast my morphs, or hold back to be reactive with my morphs. I would often play Jace around the 6-7 turn mark, at which point, the opponent would have plenty of ways to get rid of him (if I didn't have countermagic), or the creatures would simply be too big for his +1 to matter.
Deathmist Raptor:
1: Deathmist is another creature that simply didn't do enough in the deck because it is a Simic deck, and lacks the Dromoka's Command that the GW versions have.
2: The format is full of control decks that can handle him fairly easily, and he was often exiled.
3: His Deathtouch almost never affected games, because my opponent would either not have any creatures, or he would be blocked by 1/1 tokens, who would die anyway.
4: While getting a Deathmist Raptor back from the graveyard is great when you are playing against decks with groundpounders, when the creatures you see played are mostly Mantis Riders, Dragonlord Ojutai, Siege Rhinos backed by Den Protectors, and 3/3 (or larger) Hangarback Walkers, you either can't block, or simply don't want to.
I hope this sheds some light on why I made the choices I did. Trust me when I say that I was tempted to use a lot of the more powerful cards in standard, and was really close to buying them before playtesting, but because of how expensive they are money-wise, I decided it would be best to proxy them, playtest them dozens of times, and then make my decision. I'm glad I didn't just buy them outright.
November 5, 2015 12:29 a.m.
Kalibroxin says... #22
Harbinger of the Tides was also a card in the original build, and he was the last card I cut. I felt that the evasion of Icefeather Aven would help me more, and it performs the same function in the deck.
November 5, 2015 2:12 p.m.
That70sUsername says... #24
Oops! I meant my last comment for your deck, Mirror Mirror on the Rogue.... Sorry!
I haven't tried this Simic deck yet, but I'm looking forward to it.
November 5, 2015 7:02 p.m.
tacolover25 says... #25
I'm testing Qarsi Deceiver instead of Leaf Gilder in my simic build. It's similar to yours except for that. He stops early game aggression.
shepherdofire says... #1
Why no Secret Plans or Trail of Mystery?
October 26, 2015 12:24 a.m.