Skithiryx, EDH's Plague (your friends will hate!)

Commander / EDH Diresam12

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trousseau11 says... #1

I love this. I would hate to have it in my playgroup.

I might recommend Mana Web in the spirit of making people hate your deck. :)

Turn three, nobody can do anything else.

December 4, 2013 2:35 p.m.

nbarry223 says... #2

I could suggest a lot, but I don't want to overwhelm you (black is one of those colors I know basically every card of). So for now, I'll just go with Hatred and Imp's Mischief (your only anti counterspell).

Is there any specific weaknesses your deck has that you'd like to cover or something? not sure what all to suggest.

December 4, 2013 3:23 p.m.

Diresam12 says... #3

Thanks for the suggestions! @ trousseau11, Mana Web is a card I tend to not love to play with and against it, like Winter Orb , land and mana denial is tricky in my playgroup, but thanks, I discover one serious grief card :P Hate is good xD but not too much... money-player$ I met in city already don't want to play against Skithiryx because I guess they want to show all their foil japanese cards instead if dying to 10 poison counters. (I play aggro while they lose playing nothing, bothered by tri-colour deck mana base and get Maze of Ith , Gaea's Cradle no more than one mana...) My friends manage to deal with this weird mix of aggro, black control and voltron deck, and find it a "juste milieu" of hate-able cards.

@ nbarry223 Hatred was like the number one card for this deck, but for the sake of making the game last a bit, I decide to don't play with it. One-shots are still easy to get often enough. It's also fun to go full big mana hate, tutor into Diabolic Revelation for 8 cards, play half of them and platinum sh*t for lol. But Imp's Mischief , wow, it sounds really nice! My deck don't have any weaknesses except tutor, but because it's my main deck, it must be flexible (can be 1v1, multi, Modern Commander, french banlist) so it has to run the least possible overpowered card like Cabal Coffers or Sol Ring . But, it's considered ;) I consider Beseech the Queen and Demonic Tutor if I can have the Divine vs Demonic one someday. (I hate old card frames xD)

December 4, 2013 3:50 p.m.

nbarry223 says... #4

So not super overpowered cards, but as many flexible ones as possible? Do you mind making it hard for people to do things (including yourself half the time)? Just want to get a feel for your play style.

December 4, 2013 3:53 p.m.

Diresam12 says... #5

And for the "hate" part, trousseau11, normally, either you stomp or get stomp in 1v1, but against no blocker or no control, it's an easy win. In multi, you have to play very VERY wisely, people really HATE infect for its "cheapness". You start the game with a target on your forehead, you manage to remove the Mayael the Anima player who get no fatties in 3 turns 'cause of bad luck and then everybody go crazy against you. But, playing mono-black offers such a unique balance of strengths/weaknesses. The only problem is you have to single-handedly deals poison counters to the others while all the other players care about their life total mostly (except combo) for winning. This is why I choose to have plan B, C, D in my deck.

December 4, 2013 3:56 p.m.

Diresam12 says... #6

No, it's not that, I haven't explain myself right. For playstyle, I use a bit of cheap aggro infect critters or go Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon one-shot. Plan C is go big mana and play something mean, D waiting to get the hate off and win.

The flexibility is not one of cards, but format. I play in small tournaments, many playgroups, 1v1 french banlist, so I have to have a 2nd sideboard to replace non-efficient in 1v1 cards, banned cards and legacy cards for Modern Commander, etc.

December 4, 2013 4 p.m.

Diresam12 says... #7

For the "making it hard to do something" part, I prefer to let people have their fun, but controlling the board (removal, because my win-con is creature based) and tutoring my key cards is important.

December 4, 2013 4:02 p.m.

Diresam12 says... #8

Only tutor and drawing was problematic.

December 4, 2013 4:05 p.m.

nbarry223 says... #9

well, Basalt Monolith and Rings of Brighthearth can solve your mana problems, as that's infinite mana. Unfortunately, Rings of Brighthearth is only useful for your 3 proliferate effects, because you don't run any fetch lands, so it probably isn't worth it unless you do further tweaking to the deck.

As far as drawing goes, my two favorite in black are Greed and Necropotence . There's also cards that aren't reusable like Night's Whisper where it's draw x cards lose x life (x is 2-3, there's 2 copies of each) unless you want to gamble for draw 4 four cards lose half your life Cruel Bargain and Infernal Contract .

Tutoring has tons of options, but I see you are playing on a budget. In that case, your only options are really Diabolic Intent Beseech the Queen Doomsday Rhystic Tutor Infernal Tutor Insidious Dreams Demonic Consultation other than what you already have (unless there's a specific mana cost you want, then maybe a transmute card? or possibly the only transfigure if it happens to be 4 CMC - Fleshwrither ).

as far as making it harder for everyone to do something, I meant things like Smallpox and Trinisphere but I think you aren't interested in that route. One that is worthy of an include even if you aren't is Tangle Wire because it offers you a 2 permanent advantage every turn (you remove the counter, then tap Tangle Wire itself, yielding you 2 less taps).

Let me know if there's anything else.

December 4, 2013 4:56 p.m.

nbarry223 says... #10

Just realized no Gauntlet of Power , that should probably be in here too. Snow-Covered Swamp if you plan to play Extraplanar Lens

December 4, 2013 5:01 p.m.

Diresam12 says... #11

Well, snow-covered land will be fixed somedays I guess... Scrying Sheets is a must. Maybe I'm just not thrilled at all to put snow on my basic lands xD we have enough here in Quebec! Or I'm plain cheap for the moment (studying and stuff, trade for the bigger stuff or had deck with them, and why getting 20 basics for bucks to play 2 cards?). But both Gauntlet of Power and Extraplanar Lens affect your opponents, right? I'll see if it's worth the risk ;) Because the "invincible deck" playing Iona, Shield of Emeria is dismantled, many of my friends play mono right now, but in comp, it's a must. I'll get over my over-attachment to the art of my lands for that extra ramp stuff. Or get Nirkana Revenant or Crypt Ghast . Thanks for the extensive list of tutors. I'll definitively cut a couple vanilla creatures to put 1-2 more. Demonic Tutor , Beseech the Queen and Infernal Tutor looks fine. For the draw, Phyrexian Arena or Greed seems to work, I can do with the life loss rather than play one-time spell like Sign in Blood or Night's Whisper . Putting the demons in the utility can be useful too, no? Bloodgift Demon or Rune-Scarred Demon seem like fine back-ups. Thanks nbarry223!

December 4, 2013 6:20 p.m.

carpecanum says... #12

Howl from Beyond could give you an early poison win and I have seen Tainted Strike win several games when somebody blocks my infect creatures but lets a big guy through because its 'just regular damage'.

December 22, 2013 5:57 p.m.

bominous says... #13

Both my playgroups whine about poison. What's funny is how they abuse blue, but then wet themselves over one of black's abilities.

Sometimes I think house rules just make weak players.

Anyhow, +1

December 27, 2013 2:02 a.m.

Diresam12 says... #14

bominous Exactly! Nowhere it is said that suddenly playing aggro infect works everytimes xD Infinite mill, draw, Jhoira, Zur, Rafiq, blue shenanigans, stacking Sword of x and y and Jitte is somehow more fair. You have to accept it for the sake of the format. But Infect is suddenly more broken. Poison will always be 10 rule-wise, they just have to play blockers or Leeches .

My respect to your acknowledgement to my deck :P

December 27, 2013 2:29 a.m.

Mithrandrir says... #15

Howl from Beyond Should be in here.

December 27, 2013 9:19 a.m.

fun deck! I would consider Caress of Phyrexia since you're going for straight death by infect.

It's basically a infect Lava Axe and you could even target yourself to draw if you ever needed to.

Other than that I've always found that Minion Reflector is very effective in infect based decks so that may be something to consider.

+1 for running this general!

December 27, 2013 1:01 p.m.

Diresam12 says... #17

@Mithrandrir Yes, I know... but if I run Hatred and/or Howl from Beyond , I think my friend will stop playing against me xD I hide 'em somewhere for the "special" case of an ultra-competitive event :P I already have numerous equipment that stay and almost garantee easy one-shot. Except more evasion (Trailblazer's Boots ) or ability to win in the red zone or not (Surestrike Trident , I have put decent tool of death in.

@AnagonLordofSnakes Thanks for appreciating! It's phenomenal the amount of hate the deck draws, but it's manageable. The speed of black and the "destroy all" effects are marvelous! And... I totally forgot Minion Reflector >.< it's like Mirrorworks ... but for creatures :O I've consider Caress of Phyrexia long time ago... but I prefer to tutor mean stuff or proliferate. But having 2-3 poison counters missing to kill someone is a sad scenario :( and this card circumvert that problem.

December 27, 2013 3:17 p.m.

Mithrandrir says... #18

Haha! yes. They Most Certainly Would! Great Deck. Infect4Eva! +2 if I could.

December 27, 2013 3:43 p.m.

nbarry223 says... #19

I'm wondering why you don't run Tainted Strike . Even if it doesn't benefit your creatures, if the deck is meant for multiplayer, you can kill someone off by making someone else's unblocked creature become infect.

December 27, 2013 5:33 p.m.

Diresam12 says... #20

Haven't thought about that nbarry223... but that's like... uber-cheap, no? I mean, it's part of the challenge of the deck to crush your opponents by yourself, that go beyond it maybe O.O

December 28, 2013 12:13 a.m.

Diresam12 says... #21

Actually possible to win on turn 3. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , tap for Sol Ring tapped for Ichorclaw Myr . Second turn, play Swamp , tap for Dark Ritual , tap Urborg and the Ring for six mana, play Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon haste for 5 poison counters with the Myr. Turn 3, repeat attack phase if no defense is set.

March 7, 2014 12:34 a.m.

backfire96 says... #22

curious as to the lack of Livewire Lash . Thought that one was a given for nearly any infect

March 8, 2014 2:30 a.m.

Diresam12 says... #23

You don't need it to win, especially in Commander. In modern, it's too slow, even for the mono-black discard version. In EDH, you simply have better option and you want to control the board from all the hate you'll receive.

March 8, 2014 1:30 p.m.

Nirkana Revenant is a very good six drop, sometimes you need an equally as deadley threat. :)

March 8, 2014 4:08 p.m.

Diresam12 says... #25

It sounds like a good back-up plan indeed. But I just find her too expansive to justify its inclusion. But it's sure that I'm considering this :)

March 8, 2014 7:56 p.m.

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