i also recommend phalanx leader. I believe his potential in this deck is much greater than you may realize. Plus 1 though :) Check my deck out.Outlast My Junk. Youll have to click my profile to see it. For someone reason the deck link isnt working for me lol
October 15, 2014 3:38 p.m.
Did pretty poorly at FNM tonight, went 1-3. Decided to change the deck a bit.
- Removed Ainok Bond-Kin
, too slow and vulnerable of a card to invest mana in, especially when facing a Goblin Rabblemaster
in burn-filled Jeskai.
- Removed Ajani's Presence
from the main.
- Added Wingmate Roc
to the main.
- Added Raise the Alarm .
Still trying to get the third copies of Ajani and Brimaz, but this is the deck as it stands.
October 18, 2014 12:48 a.m.
Saw your Hushwing Gryff vs. Wingmate Roc question, figured I'd give you a little feedback from the viewpoint of an Abzan midrange player: I would LOVE for you to make that board decision pre-game 2. Why? You remove your game-ending curve-topper, which, being a flier, is incredibly hard for Abzan to respond to short of hard removal (it even dodges Elspeth, Sun's Champion . Bile Blight and Drown in Sorrow should be brought in against you game 2, so I would be hesitant to rely on building a token army or buffing up a few summoned creatures after g1.
I assume the Gryff is to lock me out of my Siege Rhino and, eventually, my own Wingmate Roc , yes? I know the +3/-3 life swing is big on Rhino, but you can respond to the "creature half" of it with Glare of Heresy . Glare also hits the Roc (even if Raid is hit, you can remove the creature with the lifegain clause to shut that off as the token doesn't share that nice little feature) and other fun things like Elspeth, Sun's Champion , Ajani, Mentor of Heroes , Ajani Steadfast , Sorin, Solemn Visitor , Butcher of the Horde , Mantis Rider ... need I continue?
If you're interested in a little more insight as to where my feedback comes from, the deck I went 3-0-1 @ Game Day with is Rhino of the Solemn Heroes (2nd @ Game Day).
October 19, 2014 2:07 a.m.
Yeah, that's what I thought. Thanks for the response and suggestion!
October 19, 2014 2:22 p.m.
fortheglory says... #7
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-10-14-mardu-outlast/
The above is a link to my deck and how I built to make Phalanx Leader work.
October 19, 2014 10:50 p.m.
2-2 at FNM. I got mana screwed two games in match 2, and then mana flooded (drew 1 nonland spell the whole game, had him down to 9 turn 4) for game 1 of match 3. Lost game 2 also. Deco performed well otherwise, though I probably have a bad matchup against G devotion, so I want Mass Calcify in the sideboard. I also don't know what to bring in Phyrexian Revoker against, it never seems to be too effective as they remove it pretty easily
October 25, 2014 8:13 a.m.
What do you want Phyrexian Revoker to be doing? Perhaps something like Hushwing Gryff would better suit your purpose - if it's to silence a Siege Rhino or a Raid ability (a la Wingmate Roc ) then I would consider the bird... thing.
Mass Calcify is a pretty expensive board wipe - yeah, you survive intact but if you're concerned about G devo then by turn 4 or 5 they're going to have already been spitting out huge things. Is a turn 7 response early enough to stabilize? Your deck seems like it would deal pretty well with a mass of weenies and would have decent enough control elements to remove the big threats - hunker down to build up and overwhelm. You've got D. Lights 2-4 in the side... I think 4x B. Lights/4x D. Lights/2x Spear is a pretty great removal package. You could even throw Kill Shot in the side to further that attacker hate.
October 27, 2014 11:08 a.m.
Revoker does nothing against Rhino or Roc, he's there for cards like Sylvan Caryatid , planeswalkers, etc. Hushwing Gryff disables my own Roc and is a pretty inefficient creature, especially post-side when they can bring in Anger of the Gods or Drown in Sorrow . It also doesn't really do enough, I'm using a whole card to disable half a card, maybe.
This deck can't beat Hornet Queen with 1-for-1 removal. I can easily chump block most of what G devo throws at me (if I haven't removed it already) for the early turns, my concern is the lategame when they start getting out of hand with massive Genesis Hydra and Hornet Queen and Nylea, God of the Hunt . That's the perfect time for a boardwipe. I also can probably cast Mass Calcify earlier than 7 with Nykthos.
October 27, 2014 11:17 a.m.
DawnsRayofLight says... #12
why not the guy in M15 that puts a soldier into play attacking with him? Preeminent Captain I think is his name
November 1, 2014 11:08 p.m.
DrFuzzyGloves says... #14
Preeminent Captain usually baits a removal almsot instantly when i used him. if they remove him on sight, its a sign they fear what he can do. does that make him worth playing then? thats for you to decide. food for thoughts is all.
November 2, 2014 7:40 p.m.
I've previously digested said food for thought, and it doesn't sit well in my brain. Which is why I asked not to suggest it. But thanks for taking a look at the deck
November 3, 2014 12:03 p.m.
DrFuzzyGloves says... #16
Yeah, i saw you didn't want it sudgested, and I myself tend to pull it out of a deck early, but I can't dispute that every time I've played it at FNM, its instantly downfalled or banished, ect. I don't have that deck built anymore, but if I remember right, mine was less creatures with more power, yours is a tad more swarm oriented. I liked preeminent because I would drop Dawnbringer Charioteers with it, then slap a Sunbound on her and save all anti removal for her. Ending up with a pretty big flyer. I know one game I was vs a slower aggro, so I popped Battle Mastery in and ended the game with a 26/28 dawnbringer, flying, double strike, life link. Had to use 3 gods Willings, but hey it worked. Anyway, point being I see the value in it because I play heavier creatures, you don't, lessening his play value.
November 3, 2014 1:48 p.m.
Erase and Glare of Heresy are extremely powerful right now
November 6, 2014 10:37 a.m.
Yeah, which is why I already have 3 of each in my sideboard
November 6, 2014 11:02 a.m.
It sounds like you've got this deck pretty well-tuned, past my ability to give advice. I was wondering, why not four Herald of Anafenza? I'm always happy to see it in an opening hand, and rarely mind topdecking it.
November 6, 2014 5:06 p.m.
Vanguard of Brimaz seems like it might be a little out of place with nothing to trigger the heroic. Still pretty good with double white for a 2/2 vigilance. Haven't had much time to look at what else is out there. Maybe a Fabled Hero instead but that kinda crowds your 3 drop and throws the mana curve off a bit. And yes I realize I suggested another creature you can't trigger heroic haha, but I'm thinking maybe double strike out weighs vigilance...not sure. Also, have you looked into Heliod, God of the Sun. Great outlet for all the mana you'll get with nykthos as well as vigilance plus you'll pretty easily trigger him as a creature.
November 6, 2014 8:12 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #21
Solid deck.
Do you feel the devotion and utility of Spear of Heliod is a good reason to play 2 over running 1 and a Hall of Triumph? You could maybe get both anthems in play together and reduce dead draws with Hall.
November 6, 2014 9:04 p.m.
@salient - mostly because I need to make room for some of the other cards. With the addition of Wingmate Roc and some more expensive sideboard cards, the deck has shifted to a more midrange list, so the 1-drops lose some of their value. I'm still not sure if this is a good idea but I'll be testing it out.
@Wargawd - Heliod is okay but in this deck it wouldn't do much work. It's a win-more card that doesn't actually even do anything to make me win. If I'm behind it's atrociously slow and useless, if I'm ahead I just don't have any use for it.
@Rasta_Viking29 - Yes, the devotion and utility are worth it. I've only ever drawn two spears once. And technically it does buff Phyrexian Revoker where the hall doesn't, though that's a very insignificant pro.
November 6, 2014 10:08 p.m.
burghurkhang says... #23
I think Phalanx Leader would fit nicely here. You could give all of your dudes +1/+1 if you just manage to trigger his heroic once, and therefore they would all get flying from Abzan Falconer. Also, he's two white to cast, adding to your devotion.
November 7, 2014 11:44 a.m.
I've considered it, but then I'd need to turn the deck's focus to Heroic. I can't run the phalanx leader without heroic triggers or he's useless. I don't want the deck to be a heroic deck since UW and RW decks both do it better.
Thanks for taking a look at the deck
November 7, 2014 12:25 p.m.
ODDIOBLENDER says... #25
Love to see White decks making a comeback. Spear of Heliod is a far better choice than Phalanx Leader in your deck for sure.
May want some protection for your soldiers though. Don't ignore the one-drop spells, which, as you yourself correctly pointed out, speed is important against the slower decks in the format. Gods Willing, Feat of Resistance would be great here for protecting the soldiers and your investments in Outlast alone, especially with Anger of the Gods, Bile Blight and Drown in Sorrow all out there.
Goody says... #1
Thanks for the comment, fortheglory.
I don't like Phalanx Leader here since it's not a heroic focused deck. Using two cards to get counters on my creatures instead of waiting a few more turns and using only one card or only mana seems worse, at least when the deck isn't built around it. If I was running things like Launch the Fleet and more heroic creatures I'd consider it.
I already replaced Suspension Field with Devouring Light in the sideboard.
I only have one Obelisk of Urd in the deck.
I'm thinking about having Gods Willing mainboard instead of Ajani's Presence - the only card Presence is better against is End Hostilities and maybe Drown in Sorrow , whereas Gods Willing is better against Banishing Light , Suspension Field , Utter End , Bile Blight , etc.
October 15, 2014 3:16 p.m.