platinum_demon says... #2
Maybe you could go down to two Kemba, Kha Regent s. Since they're legends, you can only have one in play at a time.
May 20, 2011 9:48 p.m.
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #3
Yeah man, good call, down to 2 kembas. I also narrowed the deck down to 60 cards.. what do you think?
May 20, 2011 10:03 p.m.
Whifflebat says... #5
honestly i think this deck HAS to play 4 Stoneforge Mystic .
May 21, 2011 1:38 p.m.
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #6
@Gennair haha that's awesome, they are almost the exact same. Only difference is that I'm using Kemba, Kha Regent and you're using Kor Skyfisher . and then there are a few equipment differences. On the flipside though, I have tried to use lots of cost-effective equipment. Still, I think both of our designs are pretty solid.
@Whifflebat, I agree, I think it would be tougher with 4 Stoneforge Mystic s as well, but I have only built this deck around cards that I actually own, and I only own two of them. Still, even with only 2 mystics the deck works really well. Is there anything else you would suggest?
May 21, 2011 3:13 p.m.
Whifflebat says... #7
oh, that makes sense, dude. too bad Stoneforge Mystic is so hard to come by. the only thing i would suggest then is mainboarding Nim Deathmantle over card:Accorder's Shield. Yes, accorder's is a zero drop, but i don't think it does much for your creatures. They can still be DOJ'd. With Deathmantle on the field you would recover from boardwipes much faster.
all in all though, i think it's solid. +1
May 21, 2011 8 p.m.
Whifflebat says... #8
if you really want the vigilance from accorder's i'd say sub in a few Deathmantles for Trusty Machete
May 21, 2011 8:04 p.m.
platinum_demon says... #9
Just another thing I thought of, maybe you could -1 Kor Duelist and -1 Auriok Edgewright for +2 Quest for the Holy Relic . I think you would have enough creatures that that increased searching power would help bring out the big equipment like Argentum Armor faster, and it would let you do it at instant speed. For example, you could pull out Darksteel Plate in response to a killing threat on one of your major hitters.
May 21, 2011 11:01 p.m.
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #10
Hey guys, thanks for the comments! Changes have been made as you suggested.
May 22, 2011 3:57 p.m.
Savage1988 says... #11
Quest for the Holy Relic has no place in decks with less than 25-26 creatures, of which there's at least a couple 0 drops, some recurrers and some hawks. They just don't work well enough in a deck like this.
Also, did you know that the secondary ability of the Nim Deathmantle isn't free even when your paladin ahs metalcraft? Just some pointers really.
-3 Plains +4 Tectonic Edge : just great against manlands etc, and 23 lands is better IMO.
-3 Auriok Edgewright +2 Etched Champion , those will turn on your metalcraft and are better EQ-carriers than the edgewrights due to their prot of everything.
-2 Quest for the Holy Relic +2 Mirran Crusader , the quests aren't good in this deck, the crusaders are, due to their protection (helps against black killspells and green blockers) and their doublestrike.
-4 Trusty Machete +4 Flayer Husk , because they're just so much better as you get a free blocker and don't have to pay equip costs before they do anything.
-2 Sword of Body and Mind +1 of both other swords, because with the Stoneforge Mystic you can look for all of them and pick the right one for the right situation.
Hope this helps!
Alternatively, you could look at my versions:
The Mystic version:deck:theyre-alive and the Cheap(er) version: deck:equips-4
May 22, 2011 6:03 p.m.
GoblinRiot says... #12
-2 Quest for the Holy Relic , +2 Stoneforge Mystic .
Does Quest for the Holy Relic really work with 16 creatures? I think it is almost irrelevant as a card if you can play equipments for cheap with Stoneforge Mystic and equip them for free with Puresteel Paladin . I like the use of double-strike. This deck looks good.
This is my attempt at a similar build:
I think Phyrexian Metamorph has a lot going for it as it can be another Stoneforge Mystic , Puresteel Paladin , Argentum Armor , or Batterskull .
May 22, 2011 6:25 p.m.
The main deck seems pretty solid here. +1 to pretty much everything Jesse just said. The sideboard however seems to just do more of what the deck already does.
On the sideboard:The Kor Sanctifiers are greatMaybe try to find Indomitable Archangel if you want shroud, not a bad beater either.
Day of Judgment is an amazing sideboard card against alot of different decks.
Luminarch Ascension early in the game can solo alot of non caw blade control decks and can do serious damage to cawblade if you can find a flier and keep it in play.
The rest comes out to metagame. Good Luck with the deck.
May 22, 2011 6:33 p.m.
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #14
jessetaverne strikes again! =D
After some playtesting, I am in 100% agreement about the holy relics; they are out. Plus, I am aware of the Nim Deathmantle pay/equip limitations. I learned that the hard way when Puresteel Paladin failed to take a spot in my The Western Way of War deck.
The goal of this deck was to hit hard, early, with double-strikers and strong equip bonuses like Trusty Machete and Piston Sledge that would force opponents to use up killspells/creatures early to deal with the threats or face the repercussions. It seems that may be subject to change now.
Alright, I know you love Tectonic Edge , so I'll put it in. I already used up the ones I actually own in my aforementioned WWW deck, though. The same is also true for Mirran Crusader . I could idealize this deck with him in it, but he is already in use elsewhere :/. That's why I had the Auriok Edgewright in there. If you're concerned about protection, though, maybe I should use White Knight instead? Thus:
-3 Plains , -2 Darksteel Axe , -2 Trusty Machete , -2 Quest for the Holy Relic , -2 Sword of Body and Mind , -3 Auriok Edgewright .
+3 Tectonic Edge , +4 Flayer Husk , +1 Sword of Feast and Famine , +1 Sword of War and Peace , +1 Etched Champion , +3 White Knight .
Yay? Nay?
May 22, 2011 6:43 p.m.
Savage1988 says... #15
Ah right, it was you that didn't want to include cards that you do actually own but are in other decks in any other deck. That's still something i can't come to terms with xD
But anyways, yes i agree with the choices you made :) (only for the larger part, of course)
If you don't have more Etched Champion s though, i think you need your White Knight s to be artifacts as well, in order to turn on the champions, paladins and Dispatch es.
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Someone above mentioned Phyrexian Metamorph , which i think is an interesting idea, throw in 3-4 Seachrome Coast s alongside them and you might not even pay life for them at all! I don't know if it'll work well, but it's a way to copy anything on the field, so that means it will help stabilize against big creatures the opponent runs or overpower yourself when you're already winning. Next to that though, it adds to your metalcraft count as well, even if you copy something non-artifact. Hell, you even get another token if you decide to copy your Batterskull , you get to fetch another artifact if you copy SFM....
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Yes, i've made up my mind and i think Phyrexian Metamorph will do you good.
-3 White Knight -1Argentum Armor (not very good when not combined with quest)
+4 of that :P
Good luck!
May 22, 2011 7:02 p.m.
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #16
Wow, I have to stop doing all this on my iphone. It takes way too long, and I missed the other comments in the process. But thank you for them nonetheless, and keep them coming!
I agree with the need for the 2 additional mystics, but I've compiled this deck in RL with cards that I actually own, and there is no other way for me to acquire 2 more Stoneforge Mystic cards in my area without ordering them in. Canada, you disappoint me sometimes :(. I also agree about the quests (they are out) and Phyrexian Metamorph . In fact, I added one, and I also think it would benefit the deck alot, given the potential for the many valuable cards it could turn into at the fair 3cmc cost.
You're right, the sideboard does need work. Given the near non-existent removal in this deck, DoJ is a good fit. And while there currently aren't any creatures that could really benefit from Indomitable Archangel , it would be useful against the many artifact removal cards out there that would threaten the equipment.
Also, I love Luminarch Ascension , it is one of my favorite cards in the entire MTG game. I would definitely be up for running 4x of them to add an alternative threat to the equipped creatures; the only question is, what to sub out for it?
May 22, 2011 7:02 p.m.
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #17
jessetaverne, what about the curve? For 22 land, isn't carrying more 3cmc cards than anything else a little risky? :P
May 22, 2011 7:09 p.m.
Savage1988 says... #18
It is, and i already recommended you run 23, and with this curve maybe even 24, but that's more personal preference than anything else. Throw out those card:Apostle's Blessings, i didn't notice them until now, and although useful, i think they'd better be sideboarded. +1 Seachrome Coast and +2 Porcelain Legionnaire for those. Did i tell you about the legionnaire yet? He's awesome. He's a 3/1 first striker artifact for 2 mana and 2 life or 3 mana, whichever serves you best at the moment. Put him in there and treat him like a baby, cause that's what he deserves. I would also very much like to command you to check my deck:equips-4; i've been playtesting and it runs so well! (it's without Stoneforge Mystic , wanted to know if it would still be viable then)
May 22, 2011 7:20 p.m.
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #19
Alright, changes as you suggested have been made. And I do know all about our good friend Mr. Porcelain Legionnaire , he has already found a home in other decks of mine. He was also one of the last three contenders for my knights deck, but you ruled him out :p. I looked over your recently name-changed deck:non-sfm-puresteel-it-works deck earlier; if I remember, it looked like the equivalent of a weenie/equip deck exclusive to the SoM block, and looked really good (somewhat similar to my deck:scarred-by-mirrodins-weenies deck). I will take another look at it and see what I can come up with :).
I also saw your The Real Steel deck, and that there were some thoughts of splashing red in there for Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer . What do you think about that? I think it could go really well - you should take a peek at my deck:alliance-of-faith-and-fury deck, which features him and golems, and see what you think. In fact, I command you to do it, especially since it's running along such similar (but non Tempered Steel ) lines as your The Real Steel deck.
May 22, 2011 8:11 p.m.
mrjames141 says... #20
deck:plan-sabatage. check it out and see if you like it.
May 22, 2011 8:18 p.m.
seibertross says... #22
This is looking fantastic! I love the metamorphs, should really enable some classic outpace against other stoneforge decks. This deck should have great pace against any deck in opening games.
The only change i'd make is -2 Seachrome Coast to +2Glacial Fortress since you're only using them for the Metamorph, you won't ever need them early game, and as long as your not looking at needing blue first turn Glacial Fortress should never hurt you, where as Seachrome Coast can create some awkwardness.
Training Drone should have little to no use in your sideboard. Celestial Purge in the slot (kinda meta dependent) Also I'd add another dispatch and drop one of the Whispersilk Cloak s (3 is overkill)
Other than that total +1, let me know how it is testing out!
BTW...can Phyrexian Metamorph copy a Metalcrafted Etched Champion ?
I'd believe if the metalcraft is already on, definitely not. But if Metamorph is coming in as the third artifact I think it raises an interesting rules question. I'm kinda leaning toward no since Etched metalcraft would check for 3 artifacts constantly, where the ETB of metamorph would go on the stack.
May 23, 2011 11:39 a.m.
asuraofcards says... #23
@seibertross
Yes it can, Phyrexian Metamorph doesn't target the artifact or creature, but comes into play as it. It can also copy pro-artifact or pro-blue dudes.
@metaphysical
I would round your curve a bit and throw in some creature lands. Especially Inkmoth Nexus It doubles as an artifact to power you metalcraft, and with all of that equipment I see no problem infecting an opponent late game. Celestial Colonnade is good too of course. Sun Titan is a late game tank who can recur everything but metamorph, dispatch, and batterskull.
May 23, 2011 2:36 p.m.
+1 from me dude. I've been working on a similar deck to this for a while now. I just came from jessetaverne's deck. I'm very excited about a deck with a similar shell to your's, to jesse's, to mine, will eventually taking first in the Top 8, beating out what ever variant of Caw-Blade is on top. Keep it up man, we are on to something, we have winning decks here, I can feel it.
Please take a look at mine, Puresteel Mystic, if you could. Let me know what you think, if there is anything you suggest. I honestly believe we are all on to something here.
May 26, 2011 10:49 a.m.
great deck in fact trying to make it to use in standard got the Batterskull and one Stoneforge Mystic and one Puresteel Paladin that tells you what i think about it... i suggest some swords Sword of War and Peace and Sword of Feast and Famine and Sword of Body and Mind one of each other than that its a really good deck that is well made...
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #1
I haven't started trimming this down to 60 cards yet. Judging on what I've picked so far, does anyone have any strategies or suggestions?
March 22, 2011 6:29 a.m.