So grindy, so much value - seems great! How's the Tron matchup, though? Burn, it feels like you ought to be able to race, but Tron - how do you deal with those?

Tron is hard but in modern you have to give slack somewhere, Tron is traditionally the thing that keeps midrange and control in check.

But we SHOULD be able to have answers - Dimir is the colour of answers, no? :(

Well I do have answers just not as many as tron has threats,since if I tailor my deck to beat tron my match ups against the rest of the field now diminishes.My deck is built to meta mostly the majority of the top tier 1 decks right now are Infect, Dredge, affinity, Burn, outside of a few outlier combo decks or midrange creature decks. You don't see a lot of Tron or decks that give mine a hard match up even then I'm on the Jund theory I'm not bad against the field at large a lot of average and good match ups with just the few problem areas. Tron as an archetype just beats most control and midrange strategies just in essence of the deck.

Sounds like a reasonable enough plan.

Have you considered Extirpate over Surgical Extraction? Split second can make all the difference against combos/SnapMage. I might even recommend increasing these to 3, given your ridiculous levels of discard, and cut the Spellbomb, since often it's specific cards in the graveyard that are of issue, not the whole zone.

Love the 1 of Golgari Charm - do you bring it in against affinity/infect/Bogles for the -1/-1 mode, or is it just the regeneration that interests you against Supreme Verdict?

Has Flaying Tendrils done good work for you? I was considering it for the longest time but went with Black Sun's Zenith instead in the end. It just didn't do anything against Ravager/Master of Etherium/Atarka's Command.

New Liliana is crazy. She doesn't replace old Lili, because they do different things; but she's really powerful in decks that utilise all her modes. Also, zombie hordes.

Still can't get over the 1 of Vampiric Link. How consistently has it won you games against burn/URx, which is essentially glorified burn? How often has it been a 2 for 1 against you? Either way, that 1 of is SPICY.

Extripate is on my list once I can trade for some or find any at one of my local LGSs

Golgari charm is for what you mentions as well as enchantments too it's just a highly versatile card.

Flaying tendrils is the black Anger that gets around indestructible stuff like selfless spirit and wrecks company decks and all their X,2's

Lilina Last Hope is a different card than LotV and should be treated as something different. Think of it as a separate kind of card that doesn't say Liliana and evaluate it like that. The card is crazy good in a value midrange or control shell that allows for cards in hand unlike LotV which is bad with counterspells.

As for Vampiric link think about what it does on edelon of revels and then let me know after that. Jeskai burn or whatever is a fine match for the deck.

Extripate is on my list once I can trade for some or find any at one of my local LGSs

Golgari charm is for what you mentions as well as enchantments too it's just a highly versatile card.

Flaying tendrils is the black Anger that gets around indestructible stuff like selfless spirit and wrecks company decks and all their X,2's

Lilina Last Hope is a different card than LotV and should be treated as something different. Think of it as a separate kind of card that doesn't say Liliana and evaluate it like that. The card is crazy good in a value midrange or control shell that allows for cards in hand unlike LotV which is bad with counterspells.

As for Vampiric link think about what it does on edelon of revels and then let me know after that. Jeskai burn or whatever is a fine match for the deck.

Extripate is on my list once I can trade for some or find any at one of my local LGSs

Golgari charm is for what you mentions as well as enchantments too it's just a highly versatile card.

Flaying tendrils is the black Anger that gets around indestructible stuff like selfless spirit and wrecks company decks and all their X,2's

Lilina Last Hope is a different card than LotV and should be treated as something different. Think of it as a separate kind of card that doesn't say Liliana and evaluate it like that. The card is crazy good in a value midrange or control shell that allows for cards in hand unlike LotV which is bad with counterspells.

As for Vampiric link think about what it does on edelon of revels and then let me know after that. Jeskai burn or whatever is a fine match for the deck.

Extripate is on my list once I can trade for some or find any at one of my local LGSs

Golgari charm is for what you mentions as well as enchantments too it's just a highly versatile card.

Flaying tendrils is the black Anger that gets around indestructible stuff like selfless spirit and wrecks company decks and all their X,2's

Lilina Last Hope is a different card than LotV and should be treated as something different. Think of it as a separate kind of card that doesn't say Liliana and evaluate it like that. The card is crazy good in a value midrange or control shell that allows for cards in hand unlike LotV which is bad with counterspells.

As for Vampiric link think about what it does on edelon of revels and then let me know after that. Jeskai burn or whatever is a fine match for the deck.

LoTV is great AGAINST counterspells, which is why Jund runs her; new Lili is amazing here.

Wish I could play against you, deck looks sweet - midrange decks with counterspells are just the best thing ever.

Dark visions Vs. Sultai's Hope sounds like it would be a great match.

Speaking of Sultai, one day, I want Sidisi, Brood Tyrant to be a thing in Modern.

Dies to bolt that loss of tempo is way too much for brood tyrant

I'm aware. But there's got to be a home for a card as powerful as that somewhere ...

There is a place where this card is used to great effect that place is commander/edh

Or Theros block standard

Only as a filler card to help with whip of erebos

Is Hissing Quagmire better suited in midrange?

I've considered hissing but tap lands are a major issue for the deck, it wants it's mana untapped as much as possible. Having 2 potentially 4 if darkslick is late to the party can be rough. Especially when you want to hit an untapped land for snap+ big spell or fire off one of the sorcery speed things while leaving up counters or removal. A great example is Kalitas leaving up mana leak and decay or cut and snare turn 5-6.

When you have quagmire and you use essentially 4 mana and a land to kill their attacking creature it is easier answered by a removal spell in most cases.

This deck takes a lot of skill to pilot threat assessment is key and knowing when you can go tapped out for your threats is vital making a mistake in any of that is fatal.

I should actually write a primer since my deck comes from such a different angle. I will try to get to that later.

I chose the split of tap lands I did for key reasons lumbering falls is hexproof and hardly ever can be removed I've had it killed 3 times in over 300 matches ( this and my last few builds of bug), and tar pit is unblockable. The darkslick shores helps buffer my life total and cast my essential early spells easier.

Also green is essentially a "splash" color so what I'm doing in green needs good reason. I've already hedged green sources with twilight mire.

Thanks for the comment and suggestions and criticisms are both welcomed! The

Definitely makes the case for Creeping Tar Pit but is it more efficient or effective than Lumbering Falls?

In cases where they have blockers tar pit is better, inversely when they don't they are equal. The difference come in the vulnerability of them when they are creatures. Creeping Tar-pit dies to everything basically where Lumbering Falls does not. I just have to play around rare cards like Geths verdict or the occasional blessed alliance or simular effects. When attacking in with just the falls

Simply:Creeping Tarpit evasion matters but soft to removal. Lumbering Falls is durable but not evasive.

Came here to upvote, nice BUG deck!

How have you liked Collective Brutality? I haven't had a chance to pick any up yet, but I've heard good things from Jund players. I would assume the discard doesn't hurt us as much since we can flashback things with Jace/Snapcaster and get creatures back with Liliana?

The card has been fantastic. Most often I discard excess lands for it. Also correct the discarding is fine since it fuels delve and can be used later by snap or lili.

Very strong and solid List without a Goyf ;) +1 for that.Good Luck further...

Thank you Hatchman, and so far so good been doing rather well at my LGS with it.