May I ask why last hope over LotV?

I like to hold counters and removal in hand Last Hope let's me do that while LotV does not. Also X decks usually have issues against Lingering Souls. Liliana, the Last Hope has a much easier time against Lingering Souls.

Another good reason is I can buy back creatures with her and LotV can not do that.

Why not run Remand?

@EiyrosIf you look at what Remand does overall it is meant as a temporary card. It delays the opponent a turn early and makes them spend more mana mid and late game.

While it is an amazing card we don't want to just delay something.

We want the card to be answered, effectively permanently. If our deck was set up as more of a midrange or aggro control such as delver then Remand would be perfect.

All of our win cons take 4+ turns t ok win. Liliana, the Last Hope takes 4 turns if unchecked. And most of our creatures are 3-4 power making for 4-6 turn clockes. This means if optimal that a wincons comes down turn 3 We aren't winning until turn 7 + and by that stage in the game Remand doesn't do much.

Another reason is in consideration of where the meta is overall aggressive decks make up a significant portion of the meta. And Remand is typically laughable against Burn and affinity as they just play it again. Also Death Shadow Aggro laughs when you remand since their most expensive spell is 2 cmc and they just replay it the next turn.

In the same situations early Mana Leak does the same think while keeping my opponent from playing the same thing again. Also against the aggressive decks Spell Snare is more efficient and answers a lot of cards in the format.

This Sultai brew is pretty awesome. I really like your choice for this Lili, over Liliana of the Veil, way more relevant. I also completely agree that this does need Tarmogoyf.

I would +1 again--if I could XD

I think you mean does not need Tarmogoyf cplvela0811 right?

If not you missed my disclaimer and primer on the deck.

My goodness. Pardon my lack of including "does not."

I just had to nitpick a touch haha

However yes Liliana, the Last Hope has been fantastic I am more than pleased on how the card functions in my shell.

The card has been slowly popping up in small numbers in SB's and sometimes as Mizer in the main. However those decks don't utilize the card for all its especially like my deck does.

I think a 2/1 split of Lilies could be good. I like that LotV fuels Delve on its +.

In what way? Happymaster19

I've explained a few times as to why LotV doesn't work in my deck specifically.

The discard can fuel your Delve. Most of your counters are bad in the late game, you can dump excess lands or other cards that lose value over time like Thoughtseize. It's not something you should go all out on but I think a single copy could be warranted. You could also experiment with Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver.

Spell Snare always counters 2 cmc cards late game or not.

I'd argue about the Mana Leakbut I need understand the reasoning you could come to I do have some future plans for it ingredients the main deck for some revisions and mana leak and discard where some of my areas of focus.

Ashiok,nightmare weaver is something that can be considered as its always a great card.

I agree with you statement about Liliana, the Last Hope, in the right shell she can do a pretty solid job and especilly your concept has the right seize for her. I testet both Lilis in my B/R Midrange build and ended up to, that the new Lili helps me much more in this list and what the Deck want to do.She so strong with the Shriekmaw inclusion well done..., i try that as sideboardoption.

What about Vryn's prodigy

@ Eiyros He is relatively slow and dies to removal easily without to much value right away. All my other creatures are must kill or give extra value on etb or can use anow ability.Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  ^Flip is a good card I just want immediate effect I could test him later on but when I really on some counterspells later into the game Snapcaster Mage is better for that.

@ Hatchman Yeah she is solid and she is very flexible with the inclusions that I have.

I was thinking he'd be good for these reasons: easy to flip, can be retrieved with Liliana, has multiple snapcaster triggers, and can help defend you

If I change the build I might consider testing the card out

Has anyone mentioned Grim Flayer?

Yes and I tried him in the first few versions of the build it just didn't work out in my list delerium was almost never active enough.

To be honest i am a big fan of Goyf, even though i only have 1 copy and i'm saving money for additional copies, because i'm a poor student, so for me the game is more of a "Magic the gathering of money" :D. I really like the spells chosen. Speaking of mana, i can understand ghost quarter against manlands, but lumbering falls doesn't seem very good to me. Hexproof can be reasonable but when LF compared to creepy arm pit, basically you get your man land killed by either removal spell or a creature with power 3+ and eventually the current meta has more 3+p creatures than removals. Also the 3/3 body is very poor - the same as treetop village, but twice as mana costly. The 1 copy of shriekmaw is a real curiosity :D i understand the feeling to bring some own tech, but the card isn't that good overall. Actually i would maybe try to fit in a single copy of thragtusk. That card is savage - also Gerard fabiano played that one in his bug control and it turned out to be a solid fatty especially against siege rhino or some other 4/5, because it gives you life, trades 1 for 1 and leaves a solid 3/3 token.

Lumbering Falls is much better than you give it credit for. As for Shriekmaw is a rebuyable Terror with Liliana, the Last Hope. Thragtusk he is only good in the midrange match ups.

If you want to talk about Gerad ( the theif) Fabiano's deck, you have to realize that that meta was very different than the current one.

When his deck was good Splinter Twin was still legal and was a format defining even warping deck. Which made the format slower because everyone had to play reactive to deal with twin being 35% of the meta.

Hey, think you can help me with my deck? I love Sultai but can't afford LoTV, goyf, or visions and I have a heavy control meta. This is my list: The Fang.

Hopefully Amonkhet will be just as good to us players as aether revolt has.

Only time will tell but starting off the year with Fatal Push is a great way to start.

Testing to come.

Push is pushed.

Hahahaha perfectly shoved puns aside.

The card is very good.