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Rhadamanthus says... #1

For your question about Thoughtflare vs. Steam Augury , the way I see it has a lot to do with exactly when in the game you want the draw spell to be helping you.

Steam Augury is strong in earlier stages of the game, when your options are more open and your opponent hasn't done as much development for his game plan. Later in the game it gets a lot weaker, mainly because it's too easy for your opponent to understand which pile is worse for you in your current situation.

Thoughtflare can't be played at all in earlier stages of the game, and it really sucks to draw into multiples in those early stages instead of something you can actually play. However, in the late game it lets you craft what you draw into exactly what you need to either turn the game around in your favor or keep your plan moving forward.

If you feel your deck doesn't have any problems keeping itself rolling in the late game (or ends the game before that point), then go with Steam Augury because it can be played earlier and start helping you earlier. If your deck really starts to lose steam and risks falling apart if the game goes on too long, then go with Thoughtflare to help prop it up. The type of opponents you usually play against will affect which situation comes up more often.

November 1, 2013 4:11 p.m.

CW says... #2

After some playtesting I'll be sure to check what's a better fit, Thanks.

November 1, 2013 4:14 p.m.

CW says... #3

Yep, the lategame is where this becomes weaker, especially after a wrath, goin with flare.

November 1, 2013 4:26 p.m.

abenz419 says... #4

one question... why Counterflux over something like Dissolve ? I realize that it can't be countered and has the overload, but how often do you really use the overload? Also, dissolve would technically be easier to cast as you only need blue mana, but most importantly it will give you another chance to scry? I was just wondering if this was a conscious decision.

November 5, 2013 7:54 p.m.

CW says... #5

For far too long I've had to deal with the Esper "If I counter the AEtherling can he counter my counter?" scenario and so Counterflux helps the overload is more of a "just in case" sort of thing mostly useful in 2-HG.

November 5, 2013 7:58 p.m.

abenz419 says... #6

ahh ok, that makes sense then. I've only recently gotten back into magic after a very long hiatus and when I first joined this site I saw a lot of people make suggestions of Counterflux and aside from the "can't be countered" part I never really understood the hype of the card, especially the overload since it's easy to work around it by casting one spell at a time. But, I wasn't around when the storm mechanic was prevalent so I never encountered it but after people mentioned that to me it became more apparent why the overload could be useful. Since it's not around in standard anymore I wasn't sure if there were other reasons you were using it.

November 5, 2013 8:11 p.m.

CW says... #7

Yeah the overload isn't much for standard, but the uncounterability is great.

November 5, 2013 8:47 p.m.

abenz419 says... #8

yeah, if your running into a lot of control matchups, then I bet that really comes in handy. I was mainly mentioning Dissolve because of the scry and they essentially cost the same to play, and like I said it's technically easier to cast, but with your mana base having both red and blue shouldn't be very difficult at all.

November 5, 2013 9:07 p.m.

CW says... #9

You're right, I don't use Pithing Needle much anyway so I'm droping that in the SB for Dissolve

November 5, 2013 9:08 p.m.

abenz419 says... #10

The deck is nice, I like it. Keep up the good work. What did you think about that mono U deck I gave ya to playtest? Interesting isn't it? I know it would need to be changed to really be competitive but it's definitely something different, which makes it fun. Plus it's really amazing how easy it is to get the devotion up for Thassa

November 5, 2013 9:14 p.m.

Araganor says... #11

+1 for the video, put me in a good mood :)I also like all the elemental synergies you got going on here.

November 5, 2013 9:28 p.m.

infinitemana says... #12

Awesome deck, but i'm not sure about Nivmagus Elemental . I think he should be replaced by Molten Birth . It's another spell to turn on Young Pyromancer , and it creates elemental tokens to go with the rest of the deck.

November 6, 2013 6:08 a.m.

CW says... #13

@infinitemana Nivmagus gives me 2 types of devotion, gets a pump from the surfmaster, and saves spells when they're about to be countered.

November 6, 2013 1:43 p.m.

infinitemana says... #14

If you like him then I guess you could keep him, but I would try to find room for Molten Birth somewhere. Maybe for 1Thoughtflare , 2Cyclonic Rift and 1Counterflux ?

November 6, 2013 2:27 p.m.

CW says... #15

I don't care for Molten Birth , it seems nice but the other cards are more usable, plus all of them activate the pyromancers effect, I get enough tokens from a single pyromancer so having more is a bit pointless.

November 6, 2013 2:29 p.m.

infinitemana says... #16

But what happens when you don't draw pyromancer?

November 6, 2013 3:26 p.m.

CW says... #17

I draw other creatures and go for a Purph N Surf, or a Swing with Purphoros as a creature.

November 6, 2013 3:40 p.m.

CW says... #18

Considering Mutavault and Nightveil Specter don't know if they're worth it though.

November 6, 2013 8:38 p.m.

abenz419 says... #19

Mutavault may be a good idea, it'll help stabilize after board wipes because you can still swing that very next turn and deal damage, and gets a boost from your Master of Waves when they're both on the board. Nightveil Specter might be a little too difficult to cast with the triple U.

November 6, 2013 9:12 p.m.

Izzetsane says... #20

I recommend the Accorder's Shield to anybody running a playset of Frostburn Weirds. Other than that I'd drop the Syncopates for something with proper draw power.

November 25, 2013 7:21 p.m.

Izzetsane says... #21

Oh, and +1 for the name alone.

November 25, 2013 7:22 p.m.

Why no Tidebinder Mage ?

January 8, 2014 3:13 p.m.

CW says... #23

pingpongball120 cause it only boosts one type of devotion, plus its a bit harder to cast than a Frostburn Weird .

January 8, 2014 3:15 p.m.

But in the sideboard against gruel monster decks, it's really really good

January 8, 2014 3:16 p.m.

CW says... #25

pingpongball120, you're right, I guess I could drop some of the counters and the curse for it.

January 8, 2014 3:19 p.m.

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