xzzane, what about Elspeth, Knight-Errant? Gideon, Ally of Zendikarworks better than her?

ElyskaIn my experience Gideon is better in most matches as he deals 7 damage over two turns if unanswered and can pump out an emblem so he is better as a finisher, Gideon is also better in many of our unfavourable match ups such as tron, however elspeth can be better in som matches such as Jund or Abzan were they lack flying defence however we are already good against these decks and Gideon is not bad in these matches either. Other all in my opinion Gideon is better however Elspeth has her moments and so is worth playing if you feel she works better for you.

Why play Windswept Heath over another W Fetch such as Arid Mesa or Flooded Strand? Seems like running 4 of one over a 1/1/2 split gives up some percent against Pithing Needle.

If I'm being totally honest with you, it's because I like this to reflect my IRL deck, and my Arid Mesas are currently in 3.0. There are two different schools of thought to this I guess. There's the different type of fetch to avoid pithing kind of thinking, and there's the hand disruption line of thinking. If you have cards with the same kind (and art) then you can trick someone with hand disruption into thinking that you've played your only copy, whereas otherwise if you played the different art, they would know you still have the other in your hand. They're both very niche situations, and neither are likely to make a huge impact on the outcome of the game.

There's also using fetches to throw off your opponent if they don't yet know what deck you're playing. Opening heath into Godless Shrine into thoughtseize would make you look like an abzan midrange or zooicide player, not a BW tokens player. It's only relevant in game 1, but when playing an off-meta deck, it's relevant.

It's a small suggestion, but Sundering Growth over Disenchant, right? Nice build!

Both are fine, but it is far easier to Disenchant a Spreading Seas. The difference alone has cost me many games

Thanks! But nobodygaming is correct.

One token is not worth needing WW instead of 1W

Just thought it was worth thinking about

Sundering Growth is indeed better if there's no Spreading Seas or Blood Moon in your meta, as WW is no problem if the opponent doesn't mess with our mana. Disenchant is generally the safe choice though.

Holy shit! This brew is awesome. Never thought of adding control to the mix. Will be taking your deck into heavy consideration as I finish mine. Thanks!

Haha thanks!

Oh boy enemy colored fast lands. I'm assuming we just cut the two Isolated Chapels and possibly a Windbrisk heights for them.

Ooooh yes. This is a wonderful day for tokenkind. I'll update the list when I have more than 30 seconds of free time on my hands.

The new lost legacy card looks insane for the sideboard against every combo deck in the format

I know you're probably busy, but I am so excited for the fastlands coming out in Kaladesh. However, I do not want to get too excited and take out something I need, what are your recommendations?

I'll let you know when I've updated my list to include the fastlands. College is hell right now, so I don't have much time to spend editing lists right now.

I assume you saw the tokens deck at Worlds?

Yeah, but I haven't had time to really examine all the choices. It's almost a completely different deck from normal black white tokens.

I do like his choice of a more planeswalker heavy deck. Spectral Procession has always seemed the most underwhelming spell to cast in this deck for awhile, cutting it could allow more basic lands into the deck. Taio may be on to something. Have you ever tried Liliana in the past? Very interesting choice. If you haven't seen it, watch his deck tech from worlds.

I can chime in here a little bit. I'm a big fan of Liliana and have spent a lot of time running her and trying her out.

Here's the thing with her. She excels against decks that really need to hold their hand. Incidentally, minus Scapeshift, tokens natively already has positive MUs against those decks. Control often has a miserable time dealing with tokens as a whole, and often folds to Bitterblossom alone. We have good control MUs. Lily doesn't help much against midrange since we walk all over every other midrange deck. It's isn't terribly strong against aggro. It's poor against Affinity, Burn, and marginally better against Infect. Same goes with any other fast deck, she's not relevant by the time she can come down. We already have a great MU against Infect, so there isn't a need to improve there.

So Lily is in this awkward position with us as I feel that while undeniably a strong card, she's not very good at patching up our dismal MUs (fish, elves, tron) and is strong against decks we already beat. I did run 1 of her for Scapeshift for a while. That MU was poor and Lily was great in that MU.

That all being said, I am thinking about resleeving BW tokens (from Nahiri tokens, that deck's manabase hurts) due to our new fsastland and trying out 2x Lily main just to see what happens. I delegated her to the side mostly. Maybe I'll find something she helps out with that I haven't yet due to SB delegation.

ChiefBell - Tokens at Worlds looked like a meta choice all the way.

I think every deck there was a meta choice.

Historically aggressive decks like infect, bogles, and affinity always do well at world's due to its relatively small field. Tokens also fits into that wheelhouse, while being a bit more disruptive and resilient. In the past tokens has performed consistently well there even when it has few results at other events. I know for example it's one of Eric Froelich's favorite decks for the event, he and Shahar Shenhar both played the same list at Worlds in 2015 and did pretty well, if memory serves. Moral of the story: tokens excels in small, competitive events, but don't take that to mean it's downright amazing- the Worlds meta is always HEAVILY skewed. In fact, as I think about it, the mb Lilies there may well have in part been an anti-Bogles contingency, as that deck has also historically done disproportionately well there. Regardless, I love Jiachen Tao and it was sweet seeing him on the deck.

On topic of the deck, our new fastland is intriguing to me. Of course, it'll make our manabase less painful and give us more t1 discard, which is very nice. But I'm more interested in how it lets us have more total black sources without running a million fetches and taking 3 from them constantly. It could make cards with double black easier to play. Among those that come to mind are Lost Legacy and Liliana of the Veil, already discussed. Also Phyrexian Arena, Victim of Night, and I'm sure there's others I've not given much thought to. It would also make Dismember less painful, and so possibly worth reconsidering for the main. Anybody else have thoughts on this?