Fleetfiend says... #2
Perhaps Dreadwaters ? I think that in EDH, Traumatize is almost strictly better. Dreadwaters might mill you up to ten, but chances are Traumatize will mill you 30 or more if you get it relatively early.
December 25, 2012 2:56 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #3
Also, A tactic to combine with mass removal would be something like Bitter Ordeal . This could be played after a board wipe to exile out Eldrazi gods or other such reshuffle mechanics.
Dreadwaters seems relatively weak, as Fleetfiend pointed out.
Hinder and Spell Crumple combo insanely well with Tunnel Vision .
card:Liliana's Shade while being decent for swamp fetching is extremely weak in EDH.
Jace, Architect of Thought , while being good in standard, is not so much in EDH. All everyone uses him for is his -2 in this format and it is a nerfed Fact or Fiction . If you want the effect I'd run Fact or Fiction instead.
December 25, 2012 3:10 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #4
@Ohthenoises: I had been planning to remove Jace, Architect of Thought . I originally figured his ultimate could serve as another win condition besides mill.
Cut:
Jace, Architect of Thought , card:Liliana's Shade, and Dreadwaters .
Add:
card:Jace's Archivist, Spell Crumple , and Bitter Ordeal
December 25, 2012 3:17 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #5
I've seen Bitter Ordeal immediately after a Damnation wreck people.
December 25, 2012 3:21 p.m.
AlexOAwesome says... #6
Have you considered adding Oona, Queen of the Fae in, or evven making it your general? Also Szadek, Lord of Secrets ? Also I really like it! +1 from me.
December 25, 2012 7:22 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #7
I COULD add Oona, Queen of the Fae as part of the build, but no, I prefer Circu, Dimir Lobotomist as my general. Szadek, Lord of Secrets is eh. He has to deal combat damage to a player, and by turn 7 they should have an answer for him.
December 25, 2012 8:01 p.m.
AlexOAwesome says... #8
Have you ever tried this out in a game with 3+ people?
December 25, 2012 9:34 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #11
Oh hell yes! While I'm at it throw in Sands of Delirium :)
January 3, 2013 3:47 p.m.
gheridarigaaz says... #13
If you really want to attack someone's library i'd throw in Thada Adel, Acquisitor and card:Praetor's Grasp. Thada levels the playing field against decks that run stuff like Sol Ring . While card:Praetor's Grasp just weeds out people's eldrazi which can be a problem for this deck, plus it wouldn't hurt to be able to hardcast them later on. Probably even run Sadistic Sacrament . It could be 3 cards you worry about in your opponent's deck or you could obliterate the remainder of their mana base instead...
My commander is Wrexial, the Risen Deep . He's pretty good with mill too. Psychic Surgery is really nifty as it can let you choose what everyone else will be drawing next whenever they shuffle, and if they have to shuffle their deck every time Thada Adel, Acquisitor hits them, i guess you have a small hold on them. Though i wouldn't rely on milling to win you the game... you've got to take into account that it's a multiplayer format. So damage or combos might be a better way to go about it.
January 7, 2013 11:02 a.m.
gheridarigaaz says... #14
Also Mindcrank sets up a whole political "damage to mil" conversion that affects everyone but you... might be worth considering...
January 7, 2013 11:05 a.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #15
I have yet to play this in multiplayer, cause I'm still getting used to the Commander rules.
Sadistic Sacrament would be very helpful against the Eldrazi Titans. Mindcrank is definitely a card that needs to be put in here, as it gives me an infinite combo with Duskmantle Guildmage
January 7, 2013 12:46 p.m.
gheridarigaaz says... #16
i was going to suggest Dream Halls and Omniscience /Enter the Infinite for all the gloriously broken things you can do with them. though you'd need quite a few tutors to be able to pull it off consistently. i use the transmute cards from the previous Ravnica, being dual purpose, you could hit off those combos relatively easily and still keep the functionality you might need for later on. one i use very often is Brainspoil ... sure it's a 5cmc kill spell but you're a lot more likely to squeeze some use out of it once your combos are set in place rather than have it sit in your hand being obsolete.
Also since recently i've replaced the mill in the deck with discard. the fact of the matter being that mill doesn't really affect the board state, which wastes you a turn when you could be draining your opponent of valuable resources and gambits they might be retaining in their hand. try card:Wit's End and Monomania on for size. opponents will hate you while you might make allies when they discard something like Paraselene , Austere Command or some other global-effect card. as for Duskmantle Guildmage ... in the meantime you could just run Bloodchief Ascension . once that combo is set up you'll probably have caught the opponent in a catch 22. any non-permanent spell they cast will be the end of them, if they're forced to discard something, theyre dead, if they let anything die, they're dead and if they lose any amount of life they're dead
here's an early draft of my current edh deck Wrexial, Accumulator of Forbidden Knowledge i'll need to update it sometime though...
you might want some lifegain here... perhaps Exquisite Blood which also does a very simple combo with Sanguine Bond
January 7, 2013 1:18 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #17
I am keeping it as mill. I won't change that. Circu is my general and I picked him cause of mill. I don't care about lifegain.
January 7, 2013 1:30 p.m.
gheridarigaaz says... #18
in which case you may want an infinite spellcasting combo to suit your commander like Archaeomancer , Gilded Lotus and Ghostly Flicker .
i'm just mentioning lifegain because it gets pretty important for a deck that doesn't rely on board presence. your 10 creature count might agree with me there. you'll probably need to stall for a bit until you hit one of your boardwipes.
January 7, 2013 1:46 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #19
Oona, Queen of the Fae would make a better mill general.
What's your budget?
February 2, 2013 8:09 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #20
You have got to be the 100th person to freaking tell me "Use Oona or Szadet" >.< Circu is my general. Sinking 6 mana into a creature that'll die almost instantly is not fun. At least Circu is cheaper.
50-60$ per card
February 2, 2013 8:17 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #21
You may want to include a note in your description that you prefer Circu to other generals, then. If people don't see any evidence that you considered the other ones, they're likely to suggest it.
As for the cards, I don't like
One-shot mill spells tend to be pretty bad in EDH. You're going up against 92-card libraries from turn 1, and you could find yourself in multiplayer situations against several such libraries. Cards like Tome Scour won't even make a dent in those numbers.
I don't think Salt Marsh and Jwar Isle Refuge are worth including.
Hinder would work well with Tunnel Vision , and it's a good counterspell regardless.
Other cards you should include
Keening Stone has the potential to be powerful, but it's expensive and requires a jump start.
February 2, 2013 10:38 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #22
Uhhh, Sol Ring is already in here .3.
I agree with Tome Scour and Thought Scour , but Glimpse and Funeral have helped me out so well in the past. I milled hlaf of a deck with Mind Funeral . Syncopate is amazing if I can successfully counter something like Ulamog or Kozilek. Augur of Bolas can go, and Hedron Crab
I took Keening Stone out cause of the fact I run GY hate, so it was pointless. Mind Sculpt I guess can also go.
-Augur of Bolas -Tome Scour -Mind Sculpt -Hedron Crab -Thought Scour
and
+Demonic Tutor +Gilded Lotus +Hinder +Coalition Relic +Thran Dynamo
Sound good?
February 3, 2013 12:39 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #23
You hitting half a deck with Mind Funeral was kind of a fluke. It won't often be powerful enough to prove its worth.
I've seen a lot of EDH players make the basic mistake of keeping a card because it saved them once. If you want to improve the deck, you'll need to focus on upgrading the components, not settling for what just gets by. Mind Funeral is too unpredictable, and Glimpse the Unthinkable just isn't good in 100-card formats.
I agree with the changes you proposed, but I also think you should continue making replacements.
February 3, 2013 12:58 a.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #24
Maybe I could drop Glimpse the Unthinkable but I really like Mind Funeral . What control card would you suggest to take the place of Glimpse? Maybe Soul Ransom for some creature theft and card advantage
February 3, 2013 1:10 a.m.
ah man, i love the infinite loop with Duskmantle Guildmage 's first ability and Mindcrank . i had those two and Consuming Aberration and just watched my 3 opponents waste away to nothing.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #1
@Ohthenoises: True, so what blue card should I remove for card:Jace's Archivist?
@Fleetfiend: It's alright, but what blue card should I remove for it?
December 25, 2012 2:14 p.m.