You're gonna need more fetches with that mana setup.

Lol, I know. I'm modifying it as we speak.

Probably should make a few separate decks versus trying to cram a bunch of win-con's into one.

Boros Reckoner would work better in a Mono Red Control deck with Skred Scrying Sheets and some Snow-Covered Mountain

I save my versions of decks in word documents and I switch between models.

I got the win cons, now I need some 1-2 cost glue for sartup.

Do you realise that you have 63 cards in this deck?

Not really sure that you need an effective 8-of between Spitemare and the Boros Reckoner

Oh, i do. That ability it has is amazing for knocking out enemy critters. I just swing and swing 'till they have to block. If I am on the defense, they can't attack without me blocking and killing, then routing damage to kill another critter. Plus it works in combo with Phyrexian Obliterator . If damage can be routed to him, MASSIVE damage.

It doesn't combo with the Obliterator at all. For both the Rockoner and the Spitemare, they're the ones that are doing the damage. The Obliterator causes the controler of the source of damage to sac permanents.

If you hit your own Obliterator with damage from the Reckoner, it's you that's saccing creatures.

read this:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-questions/does-changing-the-target-of-a-spell-change-the-source/

I thought and then asked.

Spitemare and Boros Reckoner don't change the target of the damage.

If you block an attack with either of them (even with Swerve you can't make your opponent damage the Obliterator.

There isn't a combo between the Reckoner and the Obliterator.

Ahh, gotcha, because the wording says, 'it deals that much damage to target,,,' it referring to boros or spitemere which is my critter. So you're unfortunately right about that, meep.......

O well, they still good to me.

Swerve ing a Lightning Bolt though would still work however. because the source of the damage is them. I'm just redirecting the target.

Keep in mind that Modern has very few creatures in it's deck's compared to standard unless you're affinity or some sort of all out aggro most decks run 16 or fewer creatures.

are you saying I should reduce my creature count? Because I run 28 creatures.

The massive amount of creatures is actually very nice.

Spitemare is just entirely outclassed by Boros Reckoner , so it can be cut. I'd consider Birds of Paradise to help fix your mana to cast those heavy devotion costs and splashes. I'd also probably mainboard the Path to Exile over Pit Fight . You might consider Lingering Souls (then again maybe not...)?

To be honest, I don't think Phyrexian Obliterator really fits here, if not just for ease of mana. I mean, he's a decent creature, but not worth splashing a fourth color for IMO. Maybe you'll prove me wrong?

Arena

Mana curve wise you should probably cut some 3 cost to get some more 4 cost spells to smooth out how it runs, but it looks a lot better than the sine wave the other one was when I started helping with your curve.

As far as the deck is concerned I like Phyrexian Obliterator as much as the next guy but is going to be hard to hit with only 3 sources of black mana. I don't think he is even worth splashing color 4 for since even if 1/4 of your sources created black it would be relegated to a turn 10+ play because of the quad colored cost. If you insist on running it I would consider adding in a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

TheAnnihilator, I agree, I cut Spitemare . It made room for me to implement some removal.

Pit Fight is actually very very impressive. I just recently put it in and used it. It is basically a 'destroy target critter', but I can make it fight Boros Reckoner and Phyrexian Obliterator . I have forced someone to sac all their permanents and lose a powerful creature, and (haven't had it yet but it's avallable) have Boros Reckoner fight something large and put all damage on the enemy player to maybe finish them off and win. Domri Rade does this too :D

APPLE01DOJ, yah I ran into it when I was searching for cards and I was all giddy 'till I noticed that it can't make mana. :(

Gidgetimer: lol, sine wave. hehehe :D

Yah, this deck I can tell is FREAKISHLY consistent. I have play maybe 10+ games on untap.in and it has only giving me a bad hand 1/5 games, then I just mulligan and I'm good. The theory was that if all the cards are not dependant on anything, completly selfseficient and lethal, on there own then I would not have the 'piece sensitive' weakness, and whatever I draw is good. Then the mana curve being so low (2 - 3 costs with two 4 costs) I always have the mana. I never get mana screwed unless I get too much mana. Technically it doubled the consistency because mana screw can only come by being too much rather than too little (unless I draw NO lands lol of course.)

I have about 5 forums on discussing something about this deck, (lol, i been busy gathering info.) EVERYONE, (not kidding) has something to say about Phyrexian Obliterator . HAha, I know the argument, he quad black and the only black in the deck (actually I just put in Dreadbore but that's besides the point.) If you play test it a bunch of times, you will see how the mnan base in its complexity will get you whatever color whenever you need it. Just the land alone succeed in getting something like Boros Reckoner turn 3, then Phyrexian Obliterator turn 4 or 5, and rarely 6, (assuming he's in hand.) If lands fail, I got Knight of the Reliquary to alter my land base and mana ramp, Sylvan Caryatid for mana ramp and color, and Mul Daya Channelers for a bit larger mana ramp. Black is no issue at all.

Honestly, I am not concerned about color one bit. even if you may not agree with it phyrexian because of quad B, please take my word for it, he works fine. I am only concerned about the deck's consistency and the complexity and effectiveness/efficiency of every card interaction. Which I know color deals with consistency, but the deck is so freakishly consistent, that it is fine having a small alteration towards quad black.

Ah I missed the Sylvan Caryatid when i was looking for Birds of Paradise . I guess you have 7 black sources. Still think you should try a Urborg though :P

run Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and it can.

Yah, and I can reliquary the urborg. That is a good idea. I just might do that, maybe. good idea

Sun Titan in combo with rell major mana growth and boros reckoner would ressurect

Alluring Siren

I am still considering Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth . I put it in and then took it out later for some reason and forgot to put it back in. It will most likely go back in.

surely there is better options than a conditionl 2/3 u could use instead of Jorubai Murk Lurker ?

I am hoping so.

However; he does save my life. In end game I can put lifelink on all my beasts and early game he is emergency life to survive a burn deck. Jorubai Murk Lurker is always in 2/4 mode; It's extremely rare that I don't have a swamp down. So he acts on his own as a 2/4 lifelink critter that can't be Lightning Bolt ed.

I am looking for replacement, but he was the best 'creature' that can not be burned and pass lifelink onto any of my creatures repeatedly; (as he doesn't tap to activate.)

Courser of Kruphix might be a good replacement for Jorubai Murk Lurker . It doesn't give lifelink, but it does give life for every land that you put onto the battlefield, which works well with Knight of the Reliquary . Plus it helps get lands off the top of your library for when you want Mul Daya Channelers to have +3/+3 and it's always a 2/4.