1x Arena1x Blood Crypt2x Bloodstained Mire2x Forest1x Godless Shrine4x Marsh Flats2x Overgrown Tomb3x Swamp2x Sejiri Steppe2x Tectonic Edge1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth4x Verdant Catacombs1x Watery Grave

Here... I fixed ur mana base for u...

This gives u access to quad black T4 and allows u to have every tool in your deck online by then as well.

I'd seriously run some better answers than Qasali Pridemage for Blood Moon because your deck is extremely vulnerable too it. Erase Naturalize

Yah I do have a week point to Blood Moon big time. That could be what I toss in my sideboard is stuff like Naturalize . I'll think about it.

Your mana base idea is interesting. Where I am trying to do a green core and all colors are attached to my greens, you did black and then all attached to black. I understand your logic and honestly I am unsure which is better.

Your mana base: takes care of black that's for sure. But black is only needed for 7 cards. (Not counting sideboard yet.)

Mine takes care of green which is 21 of my creatures.

Yet for blakc I need quad black and for green I only need 1 or 2.

Both would be efficienct short term so I think I will have to do some massive testing with your idea vs mine to see which can handle all colors well both startup and endgame consistently.

I made a eventide/shadowmoor land dense mana base and I must say it was either equivalent or more effective than my original mana base. The advantage though was I wasn't paying life to search for lands hardly at all. The disadvantage was it made Knight of the Reliquary worthless; seeing as how Twilight Mire and such are not forests or plains :(

reliquary is one of my queen pieces; a gateway piece to a lot of goodies. I get her out and I usually am on the path to victory if she survives a turn without being removed. With these non forest and non plains lands, she was disabled.

Thus I fear your mana base a bit seeing as how black/swamp is the core rather than green/forest. So reliquary has the chance of being compromised and I really don't want that at all.

But again, I will test your economic theory. It may still be ok with reliquary and be more or equally effective as my original mana base.

test time xD my fav time

who recommended Door to Nothingness ?!? that's funny. I could do it if I had the quantity of mana seeing as how I have all colors xD. But 10 mana, yah right!, lol

I really think u need to decide if u want Phyrexian Obliterator or Knight of the Reliquary to be your win-con. Both need to be built around. I forgot about KoTR when suggesting ur manabase u can swap the basics, however the black core is better because it puts less of a strain on your most demanding spell. Everything else is easily achievable with double green being the next demanding. Black core splashing green for 2 symbols is much easier to achieve then green core splashing black for 4 symbols, which means to cast obliterator on time with a green core, u can't use Path or Electrolyze or KoTR until after T4 otherwise u won't be able to cast Obliterator on time. A black core would also provide more space for utility lands because the need for 4x Overgrown Tomb wouldn't be there.

i wish tapped out had an edit button.

I know Mul Daya Channelers can make Obliterator castable, but it's in no way a reliable method.

I think Tarmogoyf should replace Ob Nixilis in your deck. Yes, the latter can get very large with fetchlands, but the fact that it can die to bolt when you don't have a way to get landfall is very relevant. Goyf costs considerably less mana, and is less vulnerable to removal. In terms of efficiency, I think it's the better card.

pick either Phyrexian Obliterator or Knight of the Reliquary ?!! out of teh question. whoa. nope, nadda, ziltch.

I'm clingy sorry, they are both simply that good that I cannot let one go. Besides, why should I pick one over the other when I have no issues casting either one after another? I cast them fine. The question is I guess now, How can I do it even better?

You rblack core Idea is really appealing. Especially with the ability to put more utility lands in like Tectonic Edge . I really want some sort of land destruction in here and that is one viable method is to go black mana base. I am experimenting and I am liking it thus far... But I am sticking with both KotR and phyrex.

The beginning of my description explains why, but I will summarize: I want each piece, on its own, to be threatening, self-sufficient, and a win con. Except for the sub-par quantities of removal, almost every piece in the deck is holding true to that. It makes the deck less piece sensitive and more resilient to removal; in short... Thus I want both KoTR and phyrex because they are both beasty win cons.

both Knight of the Reliquary and Mul Daya Channelers can aid in casting phyrex, as well as Birds of Paradise . The my odds of drawing urborg, or just enough blacks... I have a consistency of something to cast my phyrexian.

GlistenerAgent is giving good advice.

GlistenerAgent: Tarmogoyf is pipsqueec in comparison to ob nix. I just had a game, a 3 player game where I wiped out the other two players on the turn after ob nix entered. It was in combination with fetches and such that killed one guy and him swing massive to the other. Vastly superior to wimpy goyf. (these two guys were a tron and reanimator)

Ob nix makes all my lands Lightning Bolts!. How is this not good? End game when goyf is a 5/6 or something, ob nix enters as a 3/3, then I put a land down and he is already larger than goyf; and I bolted th enemy. If it was a fetch, then he is a 9/9: reliquary, can draw out a fetch and make ob nix a 15/15 dealing an additional 6 damage to the enemy: upon enter of ob nix. Far superior in my book to goyf.

For the sideboard:

If you want Affinity hate, Stony Silence comes first, followed by Creeping Corrosion and Shatterstorm if you want them as well. The cheapest option is always the best against Affinity. Ancient Grudge is also very good, but I recommend Stony Silence from experience.

I feel that Scavenging Ooze should be in the maindeck or not at all. It's a card that is great in the decks that maindeck it, and bad everywhere else. In theory, it's best against midrange and control decks, but those seem to already be your best matchups. I don't think sideboarding all four is correct.

Combust and Spellskite are both very strong against control and Splinter Twin . Spellskite itself is the king of the format when it comes to sideboarding, as it has applications in a wide variety of matchups. I highly recommend these cards.

Drown in Sorrow is bad. Anger of the Gods is much better, assuming you can cast both. However, I'm not sure you want that kind of effect in a deck with Birds of Paradise , Noble Hierarch and Qasali Pridemage . If you do want a small wrath, Anger is better because it prevents the value from Voice of Resurgence and Kitchen Finks .

Obstinate Baloth and Thrun, the Last Troll are both very powerful cards for the midrange/control matchups, and if you sideboard anything against those decks these cards should be that. When you land Thrun, he is an unkillable (except for Liliana of the Veil , but you will generally have other creatures) source of damage, very useful against decks that just want to keep your guys out of play. Baloth is great against discard spells, and is useful against Burn, which seems bad for this deck.

Fulminator Mage and Sowing Salt should be in some quantity for Tron and other control decks, as they are not only useful there but against any deck playing manlands (even Affinity!).

I'll think of some more in a little while.

The main issue is that Ob Nixilis costs five mana, and enters as a 3/3. The second you try to get landfall, the opponent can usually remove him with Lightning Bolt or whatever they want. Dismember gets him too. I feel that Goyf coming down three turns earlier is very important when you don't have another play, and he allows you to get your removal engine with Domri Rade online a lot earlier than the black creatures. Mana investment is a very important thing to consider, a lot more so than just how big a guy can get. If they can block your 15/15 or bounce it or otherwise incapacitate it, it's just as useless as the 5/6.

Kataki, War's Wage i like this as ffinity hate.

lol, yah kylothian, that is artifact HATE!!!

GlistenerAgent: OOO nice pile of card suggestions. You make some interesting points.

Spellskite seems interesting. It can definitely detour removals; especially burns.

I am liking Sowing Salt . I have been heavily considering putting LD of some sort in here. If I go the route of APPLE01DOJ and make my mana base black oriented, I could cram in a couple Tectonic Edge s along with some LD sideboard with stuff like Sowing Salt .

Haha, if I am black I could use Helldozer xD ignore that, I know you guys won't like him lol

I'll consider your suggestions above agent :D

now about goyf...

I can make the same argument against goyf. He is average 2/3, 3/4 when I see him in action. This is because, especially with me, not a lot of stuff goes into the graveyard. Really he only has a chance of avoiding bolt in mid-late game when I have the 5 mana to play ob nix. I might as well play ob nix. goyf would have to have almost every type in the graves to survive dismember. So really the only burn concern with ob nix is bolt, but he is so worth the risk as he can kill people upon entry. rather than a wee goyf.

in defense of ob nix, if they bolt, I can respond to that by another fetch, or reliquary a fetch and then ob nix survives bolt, as well as Dismember . If I suspect burn removal, I put my pieces down when I am prepared to protect them, (I usually put crap down when I am prepared to protect as a standard move anyways.) Also, if I have reliquary, I can instant a Sejiri Steppe and give protection from solid removal. and so on... I totally think ob nix is worth it. besides, mid late game, I have all this mana lying around, what else am I going to do with it. Otherwise it is a resource going to waste.

Honestly, I would only toss out goyf so he can absorb removal so reliquary or some other survives. Goyf is just a good dink to me. A meat shield. but at the start up, I would rather have reliquary, or a mul daya, or a scooze, or domri, and so on, seeing as how they do so much more to help me grow and/or disrupt the enemy. goyf just sits there if I put him out and then I have to wait even longer for reliquary or some other to knock out of sum-sickness. Thus I conclude that I would only put goyf out late game when he is strongest and worth putting out, which at that point I have plentiful mana and I would rather play ob nix or phyrexian.

That's a fair statement about Tarmogoyf . When you get to the lategame, you do have cards that outclass it. It's a very good card to have when you're topdecking, because it's only a 2 mana investment.

Here's why I think Kataki, War's Wage shouldn't be your Affinity hate: He's a creature. Affinity has creature removal maindeck in the form of Galvanic Blast , and often sideboards in Whipflare (as I would expect them to do against your deck). Kataki will have some difficulty surviving, unlike Stony Silence which really only dies to Wear / Tear , which is considerably less played. Ancient Grudge gets Spell Pierce d, but I still feel that Kataki is by far the most vulnerable.

Don't sideboard four Sowing Salt . It's pretty awful in multiples, and the CMC of 4 is a bit clunky in your already fairly clunky deck in terms of spell cost. I recommend playing 2 copies at maximum (and even that feels like a lot), and filling it out with Fulminator Mage s, which is effectively Molten Rain on a stick.

There are a couple reasons I have 4 salts in sideboard:

1: I'm testing. The sideboard is so preliminary I don't care how it looks. I just change it a bit to test a theory so don't mind it too much. The sideboard decisions are definitely not final lol

2: the theory is that if I go against tron, I want to draw Sowing Salt . If I just have 1 or 2 in sideboard, the odds of me drawing when sideboarding is next to nothing. 4 is I think just under 40% chance of drawing in starting hand? something like that. Sideboard is no good if what I sideboard isn't frawn, so I put 4 in there. plus, when I am testing, I don't want to have to run 20 games before I can effectivly test the card. 4 allows me to test quicker.

3: against tron, it takes out their fancy land and all others which cripples them. against kiki-pod, it takes out their Stomping Ground s and or Grove of the Burnwillows or something, which can devastate their red mana base when they go to search with a fetch. that was my logic; thus testing :D

I was also considering Haunting Echoes just because it plucks out all their fetches xD

Surgical Extraction /Extirpate ...

Also, exiling Stomping Ground does nothing, since they usually play one. Exiling Grove does something, but they still certainly have other sources (mana guys, other red lands).

Generally, you want your sideboard to be versatile. That's why lots of people play one- and two-ofs, because having four of one card means that you only have that card, rather than different cards with slightly more diversified applications. Diversity is good. Don't make your sideboard 3 four-ofs and a 3-of when you start focusing on it more.

I do agree to diversity. Maybe I can have cards overlapping a bit with abilities or something. Really running 1 or 2 of a particular something is worthless. But if I can have 8 of a type of card, then my odds of drawing are high which means I will most likely counter my enemy.

Just thinkin... If you would like to design my sideboard for me :D

APPLE01DOJ designed me a mana base which allowed me to see more fully what you guys are thinking. so if you wanna make me a sideboard that would be great xD

Check out the sideboard for this deck.

If you look closely, I have 5 sideboard cards for Affinity, and it's not too hard to figure out which is which. However, 3 of those 5 cards are also sideboard cards against Birthing Pod , and again it should be pretty easy to understand which those are. Of the six cards that I sideboard against Splinter Twin , 5 of them are also sideboard cards against control. So on and so forth.

The key is to have cards that fulfill roles against multiple decks. Anger of the Gods kills Affinity creatures, but also stops Kitchen Finks and Voice of Resurgence value. Swan Song counters Splinter Twin as well as Cryptic Command . Obstinate Baloth beats Liliana of the Veil and Lava Spike . You want your cards to serve multiple functions as much as possible. Sowing Salt is a pretty linear card, as its main functionality (and the only decks where I would bring it in) is to kill Tron lands and Celestial Colonnade decks. Fulminator Mage does serious work against every deck with manlands, which encompasses a much wider range.

I won't even try to create a sideboard for you, for two reasons: 1) You understand your crazy deck a lot better than I do, and can figure out over time what cards work well for you, and 2) You have access to literally any card you want, and different cards do very different things.

Hopefully you understand a little better what diversity means when it comes to sideboarding.

I'm sorry, that should be six sideboard cards for Affinity. It's still three of those that also come in for Pod. Note that I'm not the kind of person who writes sideboarding guides, and I prefer to sideboard as I feel will best fit the exact cards I see from my opponent. This requires a very strong understanding of your deck, which I feel I have to a much lesser extent than you do.

GlistenerAgent: That does actually help a lot with sideboard understanding. thanks xD, good comment, that was like candy ( nom nom, absorb, consume ). I like it when you comment like dat xD

I will struggle with sideboard.... lol, I just suck with side-boarding. I know I understand my deck moreso, but........ it hard to sideboard for me.

Anyone wanna try to generate some sort of sideboard? or just a pile of suggestions? I like card piles a lot.

I might look into all the charm cards. But I would like creatures to fulfill the sideboard rather than noncreatures.

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APPLE01DOJ: i tried your black core idea and well; 't'is as I feared.... unfortunately

The mana base is inconsistent in supplying me with green at the beginning. I definitely have the black for my crap later on though, but start up is shaky. Also, reliquary is greatly reduced because of the lesser quantity of forests.

I still like the theory and I will continue to mess around with it and make adjustments to see if I can compromise between green and black, but... bla bla

thanks for the idea though, I will continue to try it out until I am certain that it won't work.

Aside from that though, about my current mana base. I really want to cram in at least 1 Tectonic Edge . Just 1 would be fine. I really liek LD and I want to impliment it through lands, I am just unsure what I should sacrifice to do so.... I could sideboard it I guess lol

The problem with hierarch is it doesn't cover , and you're playing a card with 4 black symbols. I'd also consider Fiery Justice . Yes, it's a sorcery, but it's also a ridiculously broken one, which in some match ups, like affinity, just sweeps an entire board, and in others, it kills walkers or maybe a bob and a goyf. The problem I find with channellers, is its inconsistency. I know a 5/5 or a Greenweaver Druid that taps for any colour with +1/+1 are both very strong. i just find it inconsistent. Also: courser gives you card advantage, which is something mul-daya cannot do. Every time you play a land off the top of you deck, you are essentially drawing a card, as you now draw a card 1 card further down into your deck, meaning that you're more likely to draw threats.

Sideboarding lands is a pretty uncommon thing to do, and requires very specific things to be true about the format. You need an easy way to access it, as well as an extremely good reason to do it. Legacy decks sideboard Karakas if they have Crop Rotation or Knight of the Reliquary , because they have much more consistent access to their Knights. Legacy requires you to have Karakas if your colors support it because combo decks can put all manner of legendary fat into play. In Extended, people sideboarded Ghost Quarter to beat Dark Depths as well as the 5C Hypergenesis deck. I recommend you play Tec. Edge in the main or not at all. I personally feel you could easily cut Slayers' Stronghold for it, or maybe try Kessig Wolf Run .

Your sideboard should not be built with "I want mostly creatures" in mind. The sideboard should be considered alongside the maindeck, but shouldn't be conformed to the maindeck strategy. Here's my suggestion with all the sideboard cards available to you:

Look at Jund and Junk sideboards from mtgtop8.com to find all the cards that they have access to. Then, look at UWR Control and different Twin variant sideboards. That way, you can see what each two-color combo has access to (with the exception of UB, which you can kinda ignore because there isn't much), and can see what cards people really like to play. You can understand what the best hate in each color is, as well as see what inter-color options are the most powerful. If you are trying to solve a specific problem (for example, the increasing popularity of sideboarded Keranos, God of Storms ), try to find a specific solution that also works against as wide a variety of decks as possible (in our example, Unravel the Aether ). Don't be scared to use outlandish and seemingly narrow sideboard cards, but make sure the cards you do use have multiple applications.