This is quite similar to my Christmas Spirit deck I've been playing for a while, except I run Psychosis Crawler and Laboratory Maniac as win cons. I can vouch for Laboratory Maniac, as the insane amount of cards you can draw with a simple Consecrated Sphinx and Rites of Flourishing combo can often mill yourself.

I've had some experience with some of the cards previously mentioned, and find that Praetor's Counsel is just excellent, for the demoralising effect if nothing else. Many a time I've sat laughing as I Fog my opponents turn after turn, until eventually their cries of 'Surely you've run out of fogs by now!' are met with 'Now I'm going to reclaim all of my fogs!' trolollololollolol

Also, Venser's Journal is great if you can survive long enough to get it out, and Autumn's Veil is truly excellent against control decks, but like you I really struggle against RDW and have found no way around this for now other than to pray for Witchbane Orb. I've also tried Wall of Tanglecord and Flashfreeze, with limited success.

Very fun deck to play, most of the opponents just concede or ragequit due to the frustrating experience they get facing this.What u think about Marrow Shards ? It could save some fogs in certain matchups and is free!

+8000 if i could

maybe u can add Mulch for the land advantage with rites.

I reccomend you fit another jace in here somehow. Jace himself is the master of milling. it can also be incredibly fruitful to save one of your fogs as your opponents swing all out at jace and you let them, only to play another jace the next turn and procede to keep milling 10 at a time for free.

@kingboo3000, Phalynxx, ComptinaDaemonium

I'm going to take your advice and add that third Jace, Memory Adept. Verily, he is good.

I am also mainboarding 2x Surgical Extraction, upping my Ponder count to 3x, and splitting my 4x Rootbound Crag into 2x crags and 2x Sulfur Falls.

After playing last night, I realize I need as much Ponder as I can get for the filtered draws, and the Surgical Extractions are invaluable when your opponent has just one real answer against you (to be milled and then exiled away).

To make room for these things, I've eliminated the combo-tastic Jace's Erasure, because while it is very, very nice when I have all my combo pieces out, that is a situation that doesn't always happen, and in those situations, it's kind of a dead draw.

I may change my mind though. Thoughts? Is Jace's Erasure worth it?

Why don't you just plain old Naturalize the Shrine of Burning Rage, or even better, Nature's Claim it away since you are going for mill. Other than the orb, I see no other way to deal with RDW, sadly. You should have 4x of them, since it a must against RDW (otherwise, you lose) and since RDW can destroy it easily.Just my 5 cents =)

Agreed on +1 Witchbane Orb. Done and done.

I'm running Beast Within rather than Naturalize, because there's a chance the problem permanent I so desperately need to destroy might be a creature with nasty abilities or a planeswalker, and that's the kind of versatility for which I'm okay paying 1 extra mana and a 3/3 beast token.

Hey buddy, I had another idea vs RDW. It's a bit pants, but just thought I'd throw it out there. Try not to laugh... Brindle Boar. No, I said don't laugh! Think about it... at worst it's 3 mana for 4 life. At best it's a chump blocker on top of that. Another thought was Bountiful Harvest, since you'll likely be rolling in lands thanks to rites. Well, both ideas suck really, but at least I'm trying!

When I tried turbofog instead of milling them I tried to life gain into Chalice of Death and then almost immediatly kill them

I do not see how Turbo Fog is playable, to be honest. A guy in my meta plays it, and I don't see how it wins. Jace Memory adept isn't a reliable win condition. So... Yeah, I don't know. I'd rather just play, y'know, an actual control deck. Not... FOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGMILL

@the_spanish_inquisiton That is an interesting idea. How well does it work for you?

As much artifact hate as I'm seeing in people's sideboards, I'd feel a bit nervous using it as a win condition. Have you got alternate methods of winning?

Turbo fog wins by milling with jace's erasures and preventing all damage with Fogand the likes

But I don't think it's a RELIABLE win condition, reliability is my arguing factor. :/

@EnjoySaeli I went 3-2 at FNM a couple of nights ago. Not a great record, obviously, but I just want to show you that it can, in fact win. Milling 10 cards a turn when you've got a full hand of Fogs really does add up.

If you think of their library as their life total (less than 60, after drawing opening hands), then Jace's +0 ability effectively does just under 4 (1/6th of life total) unblockable damage each turn. And if they're drawing 2 or 3 cards a turn, you're Surgical Extraction-ing entire playsets from their library, and fogging any attack they make, it really won't take that long to mill them out.

@EnjoySaeli I don't disagree about the reliability of it. It really isn't all that reliable. Is it fun though? Shyeah. And when it works, it works so well and so hilariously that the losses are worth it.

All depends on how you want to play the game.

I went 4-0-1 first time I ran my turbo fog. went 3-1-1 this week with it. it's not that hard if you play smart. now granted, i also use Karn Liberated to restart with my opponent's stuff (or one of my Jace, Memory Adept) including one time restarting with my opponent's Gideon Jura and Geist-Honored Monk

@Nephilim you are a cruel, cruel person, and I respect the hell out of you. /salute to Karn Liberated.

@dorminjake ROTFL and thanks

Let me know what you think of mine deck:turbo-fog-49

Everyone hates people who play turbo fog though

@the_spanish_inquisiton, yeah good point. Next time I make a deck, I'm going to keep my competition's feelings in mind! :P

People around my area both love and hate playing against me when I play it. Hell it's the first question that they ask when they see me at FNM. Knowing they have the time to set up whatever the hell their deck is designed to do vs the knowledge that I've got 16 Fog effects, plus all sorts of other fun things... it's actually very exciting despite the bad weather.

What Nephilim said has been my experience, having played this deck all of once. Now if I keep bringing it, 10 weeks in a row, I could see people getting annoyed. But I'll probably use it a bit randomly, just to keep people guessing.

I've still got a perfectly viable elf deck that is nowhere close to boring me, so it's good to have options.

No more sphinx?????