BTW, did not see any Visions of Beyond in this deck...if oyu are milling them out, the use of 3 cards for a single mana...over and over again is amazing! and I would not focus on mill, because alot of decks sideboard Elixir of Immortality that would keep the game going forever...throw in a single powerhouse to finish them off and use the turbo fog usage to the advantage of no combat damage to you

No one runs Elixir of Immortality . Show me the Top 8 list that does and I'll eat my words.

Mill is an extremely viable milling strategy right now because it works and no one has a side-board for it unless they're just meta-hating.

My quibble with Visions of Beyond is that, if there are twenty cards in someone's graveyard, I've likely already got my mill engine going, probably in the form of Jace, Memory Adept , and all I really need to do at that point is stall a couple of turns while he goes to work for me. I also don't really need heavy card draw late in the game, since I will likely have two or more Rites of Flourishing and any combination of blue planeswalkers, both of which are capable of drawing cards for me. Visions is kind of a win-more card at that point.

Where card draw is most important is early in the game, when I'm still trying to get established. Ponder is probably better than Thought Scour for the early game purpose, but I like that Thought Scour can be a win condition with Tamiyo, the Moon Sage , so I figure it's personal preference. Visions of Beyond cantrips, but that's about all it does in those moments when you really need it to provide the difficult-to-acquire extra oomph.

Great deck man! This is one of the most turbo-ist Turbofog deck I have ever seen. I both love and hate the idea behind this deck. Great work.

A fully agree with inces_velus that you should have a definite win con in here. Not just hope they rage quit and forfeits.

This is kinda way out there but maybe Omniscience ? No amount of graveyard into library shuffling will survive omniscience+tamiyo emblem+thought scour.It is kind of expensive but that's where the fog can help you stall for the lands. With this, you can also add anything you want that fits this deck cause mana cost isn't a problem anymore.

There's also Stormtide Leviathan that fogs not flying and island walk creatures...? Just a thought.

I was thinking using World Fire as the emblem stays, thus everything goes back to your hand....and then you have the upper hand

Worldfire doesn't send anything to the graveyard. It simply exiles everything. So Tamiyo, the Moon Sage 's emblem won't do anything at all.

But Omniscience or Stormtide Leviathan ? Omniscience is better with dream twist than thought scour though

is the mana from Pristine Talisman needed? otherwise you could use Chalice of Life  ^Flip .

PS: ive made a g/w Fog deck deck:flashfog tell me what you think.

Are we really debating which cards would be better with Tamiyo's Emblem? Split hairs moar.

That, and it will probably never happen.

Chalice of Life  ^Flip is cool and all, but any self-respecting TurboFog deck should be designed to start Fog ging once it falls to 7-10 life. There's no need to use a perfectly good Fog against 2 small creatures when you're sitting at 20. Life gain is good in TurboFog, but only because it allows you to keep your life total stabilized while taking a few hits here and there.

That being said, dorminjake: What are your thoughts on using Glimmerpost ? Maybe Thragtusk ? I haven't updated my TurboFog list since M13, but I would have to give Thragtusk some thought since he comes out, gains 5, and then gives me two decently-sized blockers. Also, how do you feel about using Thought Scour ? It seems like an obvious choice in a deck that wants to draw and mill, but I was always underwhelmed by it. I would've almost just wanted Ponder instead, since the "mill-2" almost never mattered in my games.

@zandl true and i agree on that but reasons for asking are is tht chalice could surve as a extra win option.

its most likely not gonna happen that it flips but unless the 1coloorless mana is realy needed chalice is just as good. if you do actually get past 30 you should be capable of surviving a direct hit if you dont well then i realy doubt the talisman would make much diffrense. additional reasons are that talisman will rotate out(well atleast doubt it will get a reprint).

@zandl Honestly, Ponder is probably a better choice than Thought Scour for this deck, but I like that Scour is instant-speed and does have some offensive capabilities just in case Tamiyo's ultimate does go off. Her ultimate really shouldn't in most cases, considering how amazing her -2 ability is, but it should be mentioned that I have killed with Thought Scour yo-yos, as an alternate win-con to Jace, Memory Adept .

And now I would like to move for all future uses of instants and sorceries with Tamiyo's emblem to be called "Tamiyo-yos."

Thragtusk is cool (I'm playing tons of them in other green decks, and loving it), but I think it might be a little sluggish for this deck, at five mana. If I can get her down early, then that's cool, but I kind of feel like she'd be useless in the late game against most decks. The reason for that is because, since this deck employs no board wipes, a creature-based opponent's army will eventually achieve a critical mass where they can just one-shot me, regardless of my totally rad blocker.

That said, I think I definitely want Thraggy in my sideboard, to help against burn spells and decks employing only a few large, easily chump-blocked threats. I might just catch an opponent off guard after they side out all of their creature removal! Thanks for the suggestion!

Glimmerpost is also a good suggestion. The life gain might only end up amounting to a drop in the bucket, but I think it might actually be more helpful than Reliquary Tower . Even with all of the card draw in the deck, my hand rarely overflows, excepting Tamiyo (and she has her own ways to keep a stuffed hand intact).

@Sagi007 The mana from Pristine Talisman is actually really helpful, as it allows me to play my various planeswalkers faster, and gives me a little more leeway to play expensive fogs like Blunt the Assault . Chalice of Death  ^{Flip  Flip} is a pretty saucy alternate win-con, but with it attacking life totals rather than the library, it doesn't have much synergy with the rest of the deck. That said, I think the idea of a green-white fog deck based heavily on life gain would love that card!

Omniscience

Also card:Venser's Journal and Mind Unbound , as well.

@Grintex: Can you explain why you suggested the cards you did? Because those are all seemingly awful choices.

@_Grintex To elaborate a little on zandl's comment, some notes on the cards you mentioned:

Mind Unbound could very easily end up being suicidal in a way, if it results in you decking yourself before you can mill your opponent out. And by the time you should be able to cast it (not just six mana--you also need to have mana available for a Fog variant) you should really be playing actual threats like Jace, Memory Adept instead (who, coincidentally, can actually draw you more cards if/when you need them, but in a much more controllable way).

Omniscience costs too much mana to be of any real use, especially once you're up to ten lands. This deck is designed to be swimming in mana. There's also the problem that the card just doesn't do anything on its own, and the deck isn't really built to capitalize on its free spells.

I actually like card:Venser's Journal, and had it in the sideboard at one point in time to help against burn decks, but then I realized Witchbane Orb was just better, and cheaper, for achieving a similar, and actually more powerful, effect.

There's also the problem that Mind Unbound and card:Venser's Journal rotate out next week, though so does much of the rest of the core of this deck, so that's a little moot at this point.

Thanks for the suggestion, nonetheless! I think I'm going to keep the current decklist as the official, retiring decklist, and will probably not be editing it any time soon. Rest in peace, Rites of Flourishing . You will be missed by a couple of us.

Too bad Rites of Flourishing is rotating. I wanna try a Turbofog deck with Azor's Elocutors. Plus there's that new fog with populate!

@Fatty_Lumpkin I knoooooooow -starts sobbing uncontrollably.

There's always Staff of Nin , Otherworld Atlas , or Righteous Authority for doubling your card draws, but none of those things effectively replace Rites of Flourishing , with its low cost and multiple-lands-per-turn-ness.

Disappointing.

Rites of Flourishing can't be replaced by Staff of Nin ,Righteous Authority , or any of those because Rites of Flourishing sped up your board and milled your opponent at the same time, all the while not really helping out your opponent (since you'd just be drawing a Fog every turn or two).

Otherworld Atlas is the closest thing to it that we'll have post-rotation, but it's just not nearly as good. It costs more and needs to charge up. And Artifacts are more easily destroyed than Enchantments.

oh. i just realized i didn't upvote this deck. +1!

Also, I apologize for the run-on sentence I posted above. If I have offended any of you, I am deeply sorry.

not really a run-on...

Omniscience , Tamiyo's emblem, and a Thought Scour = insta win. ADD Omniscience

This deck isn't even Standard anymore. And you could win the game long before the emblem....