Sterling0528 - the package is Betrayal, Pernicious Deed and Seeds of Innocence. The big thing is that you are looking t destroying fast mana and then stealing it for yourself as the primary purpose. Popping Deed for 1, then Mnemonic Betrayaling all the sol rings, mana crypts, and mana dorks. makes for a very strong power play. Additionally late game, you can turn any excess mana you have into tutors, cantrips or other useful one shot spells.

Hi! Glad to see that the updates made it through the testing phase. I have a few questions whough. Keep in mind that these are coming from non-cEDH perspective;

• what about Razaketh package? Apart from it being a nonbo with AdNaus, is there another reason to remove it? Same question about Nezahal. I'm just incorporating a small reanimator package into my control Tas and a perspecrive on these would help a lot.

• Dark petition vs Paradox engine - PA is a reasonable choice with AdNaus despite its cmc imo and has quite some utility with SP, especially with the newly added Vault. However the loss of Petition weakens the usual SP routine and I'd like to hear your opinion about both without AdNaus.

• no Necro - outaide cEDH dmg is a problem just as with AdNaus. How did your Compost testing go? Could you recommend the swap if I too care about life a lot, but for a different reason?

Tnx in advance!

P.S.

Why did Training Grounds get removed? It's been meh for me lately and I'm thinking of removing it. Any helpful comment/feedback on its performance and your reasons to remove it would be awesome.

P.P.S.

Sorry for double posting. The first one I wrote in a hurry and tappedout still refuses to allow comment editing.

Didn’t your original version contain the Palinchron, Phantasmal Image combo? Was this too vulnerable?

JohnnyCRO - Part of the overhaul was to try some major changes. The big thing was to attempt to get Ad Naus into the deck. The Razaketh package doesn't fit into that very well at all. Dropping Petition was a bit of a later decision to keep Imperial Seal in the deck. Dropping CMC helps with Ad Naus. Dox Engine was an additional include as it synergized well with the additional mana dorks that were added to the deck. Necro was dropped while adding Notion Thief. Generally you want 2 of Necro, Ad Naus, Notion Thief. Necro was mostly used to necro to a full hand and then taxed yourself continually for all of your card draws. Training grounds was just cut as I was having to cut the most least used cards or lowest overall impact. Training Grounds is still really good, but more mana dorks and other mana options have been added to make up for the mana advantage lost from not having it in the deck.

Fixz - Yes. Originally Palinchron and Phantasmal Image were in the deck. It is just too slow now.

Really enjoy the deck. In the process of building a budget version and am wondering if LFTL is worth using w/out fetch lands. Do have the cycles, but won't have fast fetches. Have access to slow fetches but as the name implies, they're too slow. I really love that combo with the fetch/cycle lands, but I won't have the fetches for some time at least.

Do seasons past loops still work without dark petition since vampiric tutor/imperial seal just tutor to the top? Am I missing something?

IS MISSION BRIEFING BETTER THAN SNAPCASTER MAGE IN THIS DECK?

Cap10Melonhead - They are possible. They are a little bit more convoluted. Your loop options are Cycling Land at 0 + Vampiric Tutor at 1 + Demonic Tutor at 2. Demonic Tutor for Seasons Past, Vampiric Tutor for anything and cycle the land to draw it. This will cost you 2 life per iteration so it will be a priority to put out an Aetherflux Reservoir.

Planeswalker_Toshi - It is an alternative to Snapcaster that has notable upsides for Tasigur. Possibly both should be in the deck. The big upsides are that the card you cast doesn't have to be in your graveyard at time of casting Mission Briefing and that your opponents do not get priority between you choosing the card you want to cast and then being able to cast it. You choose as part of the resolution of Mission Briefing then you maintain priority after it has resolved. So you can then cast the spell immediately and their graveyard hate cannot target it. They will have to use their grave hate before Mission Briefing resolves or not at all.

Any replacements for expensive cards like chains of mephisopheles?

LabManiac_Cameron For a Season Past loop with the existing build, tell me if this is reasonable at all.

Cast Demonic Tutor finding Praetor's Grasp. Cast Praetor's Grasp on someone who has not resolved a to-hand tutor or spell recursion spell this game. Cast their tutor or use their recursion to recast your DT to find Seasons Past. Then you get back Praetor's + Demonic, shuffling Seasons Past. Now you start a loop where you exile a card with Praetor's, tutor for Seasons with Demonic then rinse and repeat until you've exiled everyone's libraries.

Primary first targets for Grasp being:

Tutors:

• Demonic Tutor
• Dark Petition
• Grim Tutor
• Tainted Pact (exiling to SP)
• Plunge into Darkness (exiling to SP)
• Spellseeker (to retrieve MB or Regrowth)
• Muddle the Mixture (Finding MB)
• Intuition (retrieving SP, MB and Regrowth)
• Merchant Scroll (for MB)

Recusion (to recast DT):

• Mission Briefing
• Snapcaster
• Regrowth
• Eternal Witness

It's not as nice and clean as the original loop but there's a high enough concentration of targets that it feels fringe viable.

Trismegistus18 - Replace it with another piece of relevant interaction for you.

Syncharmony - For fast metas, I'm boarding out Seasons Past. Runic Armasaur is going in that slot. For slower metas, it still works but you can replace Ad Nauseam with a to-hand tutor (Dark Petition / Grim Tutor) if you really want the original loop. A loop currently exists in the deck with cycling land + vampiric tutor + demonic tutor. It takes 2 life per additional card you tutor out, but each of those cards are better than Praetor's Grasp. Grasp is still a good card and if your meta is slower, then it is a fine include.

Syncharmony - And by fine include... I mean I'm still running it. :) the loop is solid as well, either route will get you to a win.

LabManiac_Cameron To be honest, I was originally going to ask you if you intended to rename the deck from Seasons Pastigur to something else. So, before I wrote that I was like "well wait, is there some kind of janky combo in here that still let's you do a Seasons Past loop with nothing in hand other than a Demonic Tutor?" Just a dumb but fun mental exercise.

Will you discuss new cards like Growth Spiral, Incubation // Incongruity, Awaken the Erstwhile, Rampage of the Clans for this deck? And would it be appropriate to ask if the Laboratory Maniacs channel do a competitive review for the other Ravnica sets? Thanks in advance.

Do you think Incubation Druid + Vigean Graftmage is worth playing instead of or in addition to Bloom Tender + Freed from the Real?

Why urborg with no coffers? Seems like black is the least necessary color for tasigur but am I missing something?

Hey Cameron, I have also have a Tasigur control deck, I have a question for you. My deck runs about 10 artifacts with low cmc, most games that I play with a pernicious deed in my opener force me to not play out my rocks until turn 4 - 5. Is this nonbo worth it in a less competitive meta? Also do you run seeds of innocence because of the cedh meta game?

Hey Cameron, what do you think of cutting a few mana dorks and adding tabernacle/sylvan scrying or Tolaria west? Also, I know this card is super expensive again, but is drop of honey worth a spot?

oliveoilonyaasscureshemorrhoid - Growth Spiral, I'm testing. The rest just aren't good enough for top end cEDH play. We have recorded a set review and are working on getting it out soon.

KillDatBUG - Incubation Druid would be run along side of or as a replacement for Bloom Tender. It has individual value. Vigean Graftmage is really poor on its own. I wouldn't run it in the top end of Tasigur, in a more casual build, sure.

WisdomComes - Coffers doesn't come online fast enough. Urborg is 99% free black mana fixing.

Planeswalker_Toshi - Deed came back into the deck, as well as Seeds, due to the large amount of cheap aggro creatures, value enchantments and artifacts that exist right now. Additionally the extra board clears work with Mnemonic Betrayal to allow us to capitalize on the cards in their graveyards, i.e. their mana rocks/dorks become your mana rocks and dorks. Using Deed is always going to cost us something. Play around it, but don't delay your game plan. If you are planning on playing deed, you still want to get it out early. Aim to have the largest board after the deed has been popped and don't cripple yourself when you pop it. The big part of Tasigur sticking around post deed is really great. Drop of Honey might be useful again. I'm not a huge fan of tabernacle here. Dropping the mana dorks limits infinite lines and gives us poorer mana acceleration. It might be better in certain metas, but not in the current partner metas that we are seeing mostly now.

Hey Cameron, was wondering if you could give some info on mnemonic betrayal. How it’s working out, what to look for when using it or why to use it. Anything you’ve gotten out of testing so far and what you think about it in cEDH. Thanks!!

Because of this deck, I began making my own Tasigur control deck. I haven't looked at this list since before you updated it in November, and I am happy to see I'm making some of the same additions! Nothing like Mnemonic Betrayal into a Rakdos Charm to deal 15 damage and win the game!

Hey there, I am doing a bit of research on The more competitive decks out there for my Stax deck.

• So the first question is: what kind of "Stax" or "Hate cards" would shut this deck down or make it impossible for you to win under certain singular or combined Effects?

• And the second question is about Sanctum Prelate as I am trying to gather as much information about the stopping power of calling specific CMC with this card vs certain strategies, Would you consider CMC ,, or CMC to be more effective here to disrupt your gameplan?

Papaglock21 - the idea behind betrayal is that if you cast mana rocks and mana dorks in your opponent's graveyards, then you get long term advantage from it. I have had less consistent results and it may be going out here soon.

Kiyomei - The big things to look at for stax would be preventing infinite mana, and restricting loops. This deck has infinite mana through artifacts and creatures, loops through creatures and spells, and an alternative out through Aetherflux Reservoir. So, Stony Silence / Null Rod + Cursed Totem will shut out this deck fairly heavily. This would require manual beats as the win con or Ad Nauseam to draw answers for the hate. A Complete lock is possible, but is not normally expected in a cEDH game. For Sanctum Prelate, 2 would hit most combo pieces and removal.

Thanks LabManiac_Cameron for the In-Depth response!