Hey Cameron, can you enlighten me with Priest of Titania? I see it as a 2cmc mana dork that occasionally adds more than 1 G, but is there something more to it?

kev41 - Priest is a 2 mana dork that almost ALWAYS adds more than G. Most often it is at minimum GG and very frequently GGG+. Everyone is running mana dorks and 90%+ of them are elves.

Have you considered the combination of Melira, Sylvok Outcast and Glen Elendra Archmage as part of your protection package? Becomes an infinite Negate . Plus you get the added bonus of negating infect players.

Is demonic tutor the only tutor that gets things into your hand? If so how does seasons past go infinite?

KayneMarco - No, Melira is just a dead card, Infect isn't a thing in cEDH and Glen Elendra is just too slow. Its not worth while.

Legion564 - cycling land + vampiric tutor/imperial seal + demonic tutor is a current loop in the deck, it costs two life per loop, so getting Aetherflux is a primary line. You can also add in Praetor's Grasp to steal opponent's tutors or regrowth effects while you work through your initial combo if life is low.

Cam, how do you feel about [Verity Circle]? On top of being pretty reliable card draw with normal dork use in cEDH, it also has some neat application with respect to people trying to go off with dorks using Paradox Engine or Freed from the Real. Think it has some traction in Tasigur?

Is exploration just part of the value engine with life from the loam?

So how do you deal with Gitrog? Or is there none in your meta. Have been considering cutting my leyline but wondering how other decks deal with him without leyline. Just counter or kill it?

I've got to ask, why play counterbalance over another counterspell like Disallow or somehting what would more consistently counter spells than crossing your fingers hoping that you happen to have the correct cmc on top. Even if it is worth playing, why not play into it a little more with cards like Mirri's Guile or some consistent card manipulation?

I have tested with exploration and it only is good with life from the loam. have you had similar experiences?

Cameron if your deck is mostly built around ad nauseaum, why don't you run Dark Confidant as well?

Syncharmony - I'd run Runic Armasaur first. It will draw more cards and can block tymna.

Legion564 - Yes Exploration is part of the LFTL package.

Draken44 - Gitrog is lots of removal. Lots and Lots of removal. Don't let them keep it out and make people aware of it.

blazingscout - Disallow is just bad. I'd run another more narrow 1 cmc counterspell or a 2 cmc counterspell. Counterbalance is, on average, going to hit 1/3 of the time. And if you happen to get top out, it has a massively higher hit rate. Counterbalance as a one card synergy with Top is good. Extra synergies with Counterbalance aren't worth the slots.

Planeswalker_Toshi - Yes confidant would be good, but gotta find the card to cut first.

ByronTomas - Paradox Engine is a mana engine that provides massive advantage. It can also transition into going infinite if you get enough rocks or mana dorks our or if you get isochron scepter with any disposable spell under i

what about wilderness reclamation (https://scryfall.com/card/rna/149/wilderness-reclamation) and subsituting signets for nature's lore and three visits ?

Faelurian - Reclamation is a solid card, but Seedborn Muse is just better. It also doesn't work well with either Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter or Paradox Engine. If you are on a budget and do not have the rocks to support either Dox engine or Dramatic Scepter, then yeah Reclamation could see a spot in thtwo plans, then Rec

Is betrayal just for grave hate? My meta is packed with rest in peace so I might swap that for armasaur.

Where's your Mental Misstep ?

Legion564 - Betrayal was in as a tempo swing, it has come out. In my latest update it and Seeds of Innocence came out for a Dark Confidant and a Runic Armasaur. You were on a good track!

Kross33 - Its too narrow for a counterspell.

Sounds good. I'm trying out incubation druid and thousand year elixir also for a little more consistency after a big ad naseum in case I don't hit isochron so I'll report on how that goes.

I've been following this list for a while now and I really dig your new changes to develop more card advantage by cutting the dead weight. Your Primer is very well thought out and you really inspired me to build my own Tasigur list for my 75% meta. I adopted a lot of your competitive lines and worked them into my build while implementing some meta calls as well as goodstuff in favor of value and longevity rather than speed. I'm not going to leave a shameless plug and link my deck on here, but if you wouldn't mind I would really appreciate it if you could look over my list that I have up on my page. I'd love to hear what you have to say. :)

Keep up the good work! I really like the content that you and the LabMan crew put out!

I agree with the Betrayal+seeds cut, I tried it briefly and they almost always sat in hand unlike any other cards in my deck, over multiple games always the same thing. Only ever had the combo of the two go off once, which was cool but too narrow to include.

Betrayal usually ended up being used alone for removal+tutor 99% of the time it was cast for me, still may include since my playgroup only has 1 twister player at the moment.

WisdomComes Betrayal has been lackluster in my experience testing as well. I may board it in again in a graveyard heavy matchup one night, but for now, I've been testing out Scavenging Ooze for a body and grave hate mana dump as a bit of a meta call on my part. Unfortunately, after at least ten games after slotting it in, I still have yet to even draw into it for some reason. There are a lot of graveyard strategies floating around in my meta, so I think it can work well but I can't speak on behalf of its performance quite yet.

What are your thoughts on Mox Opal? Do we run enough artifacts to successfully turn it on reliably?

Any tips for modifying the deck to fit a less competitive table? Counterbalance probably has to go since there's much more variance in CMC

Hey Cameron I have a couple of questions

• I have been super impressed by Tezzeret the Seeker in my Tasigur deck, what's your opinion on it.

• I also have been super impressed by Underrealm Lich , I run it in my Lord Windgrace MLD deck and it just wins games, especially with Sylvan Library . What do you think?

• Is Incubation Druid a good enough replacement for Bloom Tender to run with Freed from the Real , or should I skip that combo entirely without the Bloom Tender?

• What exactly is the purpose of Dimir Charm . I've tried it, but I was left unconvinced.

• And what is usually the tiebreaken between Necropotence and Ad Nauseam ? As far as I understand it, Necro is more consistent, is better with a higher cmc, but is hard to cast and taxes your later card draw. AdNaus is way more explosive, better with a low cmc, but far more dangerous. Are there any more arguments for either card?

• You also don't seem to run Mystical Tutor , Chain of Vapor , Frantic Search and Nature's Claim . Why not? I couldn't seem find anything about these cards in the primer.

I hope you find these questions interesting enough to answer. Have a good day :)

Aladdin - not enough artifacts yet. You want 16-18 for opal to be a solid consideration if you aren't wheeling a lot.

Dejadal - More board clears, less spot removal. There has been a ton of discussion regarding this in our discord. However, I personally have played my older lists into Battlecruiser metas and had a good time. The big thing is that the deck is strong but aimed at different things. One of the core concepts of the deck is that a 4/5 will cover all your combat needs. In less powerful metas, people are dropping 6/6 keyword soup creatures pretty constantly and Tasigur just doesn't cut it. I've actually lost most of my games with this cEDH deck in Battlecruiser games. Specifically because it wasn't designed to play in the same meta. You will find yourself really heavily pressured. If you do tune the deck with more board control, the deck is really solid and can get to an oppressive point.

dennisdegooijer - Tezz isn't great. Unlike Teferi or some Izzet decks, there are no silverbullets that you would be grabbing. He doesn't ramp enough to replace himself. He's just too much for too little.

Incubation druid is a solid budget replacement for bloomtender.

Underrealm Lich is just too slow for cEDH. Its a 5 mana do nothing until you draw a card.

Dimir Charm is a versatile answer to lots of various issues. It can stop tutors, it can stop timetwisters/windfalls or wraths. It can kill almost all the relevant commanders that may see play and want to stay on the battlefield, i.e. Tymna, both Selvalas, Thrasios, Vialsmasher, Captain Sisay, Yisan, Arcum, Baral, Brago, Circu, Grand Arbiter Augustin, JVP, Mizzix, Momir Vig, Rashmi, Tana, Varolz, etc. It can mill out top of deck tutors, if you feel that is the appropriate answer to them. And once you go infinite if you have no other win option, you can use it to mill out your opponents except for their last card. For the Necro and Ad naus discussion, you actually want to add Notion Thief to that mix. For Mass Card draw cards, most cEDH decks run two of those three. Necro just has fallen behind as it is hardest to cast and the slowest of card draw. As the game gets faster, you need to speed up the card draw sources and being able to leave up interaction then Ad Naus or Notion Thief on someone else's Windfall/Timetwister really makes a big difference.

Mystical tutor doesn't have enough targets and there is a balance between tutors and interaction that pushed it out. Also the fact that it is card disadvantage really adds to it falling away. Chain of Vapor is on the edge of coming in and out a lot. The real spot for it is in the Beast Within slot, however Beast Within is part of a infinite win. Frantic Search, while it is selection, it is also card disadvantage and is something we don't want to get back with Tasigur. The only non-land cantrip we have is Brainstorm. It is leaps and bounds above all the others. Nature's Claim is solid, but we need more universal removal in the general list, it would be a fine include if you are seeing a majority of stax elements that you need to get rid of in your local meta.