buildingadeck - while you had recommended this, I had been in process of updating the primer with that card added as an option in the meta specfic choices. :)

JohnnyCRO - Thanks! I worked hard to make the primer very general and broad while still providing valuable detailed info. There is a lot of options to build a deck from and due to the reactive nature of the deck, there isn't a correct choice as each local meta and play style will be different.

Haha! Great minds think alike, or something like that. xD

Hey Cameron, minor question but what purpose does Elves of Deep Shadow serve? It only produces black mana which does not help activate Tasigur's ability. Just curious as I am currently building Tasigur and working out the mana rock/dork situation.

"There is a lot of options to build a deck from and due to the reactive nature of the deck, there isn't a correct choice as each local meta and play style will be different."

The definition of what it takes to build a good control deck, especially in EDH. I'm glad we're on the same page.

If you don't mind me asking, is there a particular reason why you opted to play just black and green cycle lands? My guess is that you want to save up your early blue mana for counterspells so that you can both keep up the cycling engine and counter crucial spells. But I don't want to assume too much.

Also, as I previously mentioned, I'm currently building a Tasigur control from the ground up for a 75%-ish environment. After I'm done, would you mind it if I posted it here for you, and the others that might be interested, to take a quick look? I will have to fine tune it myself, I would just like to hear if I missed something important.

@BolasFucks - I'm obviously not the OP, but in a 3c deck a dork played for that produces just green mana is just ramp, not mana fixing. The fact that one can play a dork means that green is already available. Opening another color while ramping makes it better thatn Elvish mystic and others even with the pain aspect taken into account.

BolasFucks - The big thing this has over Llanowar Elves/Elvish Mystic is that it mana fixes you. It is Ramp and Diversification of mana. Getting a mana source to help you produce more of the same isn't as useful as it is helping you move to other colors when you need it.

JohnnyCRO - The idea behind not running the blue cycling land is based on analyzing its use case. Specifically looking at what mana you would most likely have available when you want to cycle those lands. For interaction, blue mana is our most important. Which means that either we want to conserve it when we cycle lands main phase or we have potentially used it and it is not available when we cycle lands at end step before our turn. Blue is our most valuable mana and we want to put less strain on it when we can.

Hay, have you considered soldevi excavations. I know it's weak to strip mine and the sorts but what about in a meta light on land destruction? Also what's your option on pieces of the puzzle?

Thanks.

Omnomtree - based on the manabase, we'd very rarely have a basic island in play. This means we are sacrificing mana fixing for scry. I am not a fan of that aspect of Excavations in regards to Tasigur.

Can someone please explain the importance of Life from the Loam

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One obvious thing is that its dredge keyword fills the graveyard nicely which is obviously important for Tasigur recasting and its own function in here (dumping lands it can bring back if the pilot choses to). But there is additional utility.

Tasigur's ability doesn't sit well with cantrips. Even if the pilot can make it so that they get the card they need, having a practically dead card in the grave isn't nice. Cycle lands on the other hand, can be cycled instant speed to draw cards, which makes them kind of like cantrips, but they can't be forcefully brought back by tasigur's ability.

Now let's evaluate Life from the loam in this aspect; not only can it recycle fetchlands, milled lands, strip mine and what not, it can recycle the deck's cantrips, making it not only a grave recursion card, but draw engine enabler which is needed in here to maintain a strong hand without relying too much on Tasigur's recursion which isn't cheap enough to be used to keep the hand full.

is scepter+reversal is only infinite mana combo for now? is it best one? im know that it is low cost combo but it is not resilent (if someone destroy scepter, we cant return combo, cause reversal is exiled) and need some suport with manarocks. So is it enought ? why you use Phantasmal Image if you not use Palinchron?

And about replacements, im have almost all cards, but Chains of Mephistopheles and Timetwister not in my budget, so if im need replace only this two, that better replacements you can recommend to me?

For the dramatic scepter combo, wouldn't Krosan Restorer work very well with it? Threshold is super easy to hit and with her on board, you wouldn't even need a mana rock to go infinite if you had assembled the scepter combo with colored mana. I understand the CMC cost is a little higher but it doesn't seem massively prohibitive. Sub-threshold she can at least untap your Coffers to give you infinite black mana. Thoughts?

simakover - Chains -> Notion Thief. Timetwister -> Memory's Journey/Windfall depending on if you need recursion or card draw more.

Syncharmony - Using a higher cmc creature is not ideal. You are dealing with a higher cost, the requirement of threshold and needing to wait a turn to use the creature. Multiple cheaper, preferably 1 cmc, mana creatures can do this much better. Most of the time that the Dramatic Scepter combo goes off, there is a mix of creatures and mana rocks that are being used for mana generation.

thanks, and why you use Phantasmal Image with pali? and scepter+reversal is enought for mana combo?

Is it viable to run a small reanimate/entomb/animate dead package in the decklist with Razaketh and Nezahal? I love the Raza/Nez package but find a lot of use in turn one or two reanimating a fatty or even just mind game entombing I life from the loam especially when Nezahal is in play, but I trust you make better decisions than me Im just a sucker for entomb reanimate!!

And if you ad languish what do you think you would take out?

simakover - PI is in the list in a flex slot. It is a local meta call for me, it could be any other tech card you need for your local meta. Palinchron was removed in favor of Dramatic Scepter as the infinite mana outlet. Its easier to assemble and faster.

Papaglock21 - Reanimator is fine. It is more of a meta call. With large amounts of Protean Hulk in the upper ranges of decks, graveyard hate is pretty difficult to fight through right now. Its totally a valid route, but it is easier to disrupt as it gets hit by hate in a lot of decks. If you wanted to add Languish, I'd drop a creature from my current list, probably Phantasmal Image cause it is a flex slot and a local meta choice.

Can the new Mox Amber from Dominaria serve as a budget replacement for Mox Opal?

LabManiac_Cameron - so, we have only one way to generate inf mana? scepter + reversal, is it enought for stable game?im asking, cause you already have a second plan for use inf mana, if shift is in exile, you use grasp. But im dont see any inf mana gain if reversal is in exile. In my local meta people play cards like sadisctic sacrament(and kiked version ruins any deck), Bitter Ordeal. So im in brainstorming, an im need some backup combo or am im needed more control cards.

nlabelle - Mox Amber works and doesn't. We don't have legendary creatures to cast early, which means that it doesn't help with the early game. Its a nice free mana rock and can work as part of Razaketh lines as a Mox Diamond/Chrome Mox replacement, but it doesn't work great.

simakover - Phantasmal Image in my deck is a flex slot. It could just as easily be Rift Sweeper. Or, you could leave PI in the deck and find a spot for Palinchron. It would work well with Eldritch Evolution off of Tasigur just as well.

LabManiac_Cameron is PI+pali better combo than tidespout + rocks?

simakover PI + Pali gives you the most compact combo with the individually most useful pieces. Palinchron isn't great but in a few cases can go infinite on its own. PI, on the other hand, has a ton of utility value. Tidespout on its own doesn't do a ton, costs a lot and requires at least a mana positive rock and a mana neutral dock to go off. Additionally Null Rod / Stony Silence are the strongest stax pieces right now. Cursed Totem / Linvala are right behind them but not nearly as universally powerful.

Can you help me understand when you would use the Seasons Past + 2 Tutor loop over just using Tasigur's ability after you have generated infinite colored mana? Is it strictly for situations where Tasigur is not available? It seems that logically if you have access to Tasigur than you can just use him to pull your deck into your hands (minus lands) and then utilize whichever win condition you choose to close the game out. Using Seasons Past seems like it is just redundancy for Tasigur being out of commission for whatever reason. Am I misunderstanding something or is my assumption correct?

Hi!

About a month ago I came here looking for advice for a more 75%-ish version of Tasigur. I had in mind something fairly strong and competitive in regular EDH, but not exactly cEDH territory and done on a budget (relatively speaking).

I'm nearly done with a first testing list and I'd be happy if you could take a look, since I used this deck and your primer as inspiration. Manabase is subject to change, but this will do for starters. As for the rest of the deck, any comments and tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance!

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Syncharmony - Seasons Past is a late game power house and an alternative win. When you get to the point of casting it, it usually reads - tutor the three best cards and a land from your graveyard. Notably this gets around an opponent's choice. It is a card advantage engine that ensures the late game. It also lets you combo off through a Cursed Totem or a stolen Tasigur.

JohnnyCRO - You have a very high number of lands. You would probably get some benefit from fewer lands and more mana ramp through rocks and dorks.

LabManiac_Cameron

Thank you for your response!

My meta isn't cEDH, it's not uncommon for games to drag on so I have the time to draw and play my lands. But more importantly, since games in my group tend to drag on a bit I could easily fall behind on mana. My meta is around "75%" with some decks being above that and with others being a bit below.

As for additional rocks and dorks, what do you suggest? I included most of the rocks and dorks you did (save for Diamond, that's out of my budget unfortunately). But more importantly, I don't know of other good and affordable rocks or dorks at or below cmc of 2 or 1 respectively.