I hope it's okay to make a suggestion.I don't know your meta, but in general I think these cards are great counters for various decks.Mondronen Shaman Flip Anti Burn and/or DelverDaybreak Ranger Flip Some defense against those nasty flying beasts.Just my 2 cents. I don't know if this is needed.+1.
December 23, 2012 12:42 p.m.
Shrodinger says... #3
The problem with Mondronen Shaman Flip is the card value. For a 4 cmc creature, I'd expect the creature to do something when it enters the battlefield. Right now, it can easily get burned the turn after it comes to play. The human has 2 toughness, everything burns it. I chose to take Huntmaster of the Fells Flip because even if it gets burned the turn after it comes into play, it still heals you (anti-burn) and creates 2 creatures for one card.
As for Daybreak Ranger Flip , we come across the same issue. It's a great card, but easily burned. When you reach 3cmc cards, you want it to do something when it enters the battlefield. This is why I chose to go with Wolfir Avenger which often will kill something by flashing it into play as a surprise defender, gaining card advantage.
December 24, 2012 1:19 a.m.
I'm curious, but why aren't you running a Cavern of Souls or two? It can really ruin a permission based deck's day, and it's a fairly easy upgrade over one of your R/G sources.
Anyway, I'm loving the deck. I've gotten quite a kick out of it these past few weeks that I've tried running a similar list.
December 31, 2012 7:18 a.m.
Shrodinger says... #7
The R/G sources are extremly important since I use Slaughter Games in game 2 and game 3 almost every single match up.
I could however remove Forest for it.
December 31, 2012 11:15 a.m.
What is your take on going naya instead of jund, and switching Golgari Charm for Boros Charm . It keeps the same anti-board wipe, but gains aggressiveness over utility. I know your SB has a lot of black, but white also gives tons of utility.
January 27, 2013 3:36 p.m.
You going to add anything new with Gatecrash out??? Possibly Domri Rade ?? Or with Stomping Ground out have the ability to play Kruin Outlaw Flip ??
February 3, 2013 6:32 a.m.
Shrodinger says... #10
Boros is extremly good atm and Team Pavlov is really struggling, I'm still making many, many adjustements... but so far, Boros is too damn good.
February 4, 2013 9:19 a.m.
Shrodinger says... #11
Taking Team Pavlov into a Naya deck is a strong possibility atm.
February 4, 2013 9:20 a.m.
DeathByDragons says... #14
It seems as though there haven't been many updates lately, how is Team Pavlov fairing new decks utilizing the new Gatecrash mechanics?
February 21, 2013 2:54 a.m.
Shrodinger says... #15
Badly. Boros is way too strong. Those werewolf cards are having a lot of issues. I'm toying around with Naya and I am about to get something that satisfies me.
February 21, 2013 7:12 p.m.
I was able to go against boros as long as they didn't get a perfect hand. deck:when-night-falls-werewolves-descend-upon-skyrim At the time I was running 3 Tragic Slip 3 Searing Spear which helped me deal with their early game a lot which would ruin their tempo. Not running Searing Spear anymore because I haven't seen any boros decks at the game store I go to anymore.
I do have to thank you Shrodinger I have been looking here a lot for suggestions and such to help me improve my own werewolf deck.
February 27, 2013 8:51 a.m.
Shrodinger says... #18
Tragic Slip an d Searing Spear works well with early game, but you get demolished against more control oriented decks like Azorius playing with Angel of Serenity. Her ability doesn't "kill" your werewolves and thus, you can't trigger Tragic Slip and Searing Spear isn't good enough to kill her. In other words, any azorius deck getting her out is GG for them. You have nothing. Especially if they have Unburial Rites in their graveyard.
In my current Naya Werewolf deck, Boros Charm is currently replacing Golgari Charm in term of board mass ressurect against wipes like Supreme Verdict. The double strike can also act as a nuke. I'm just sad is doesn't kill that B/R aristocrat. As for late game removal, I was using cards like Tribute to Hunger to kill bigger creatures or untargetable, now I buff them with Selesnya Charm or exile the bigger treaths like Angel of Serenity, preventing the enemy from bringing it back with Unburial Rites.
Still working on some kinks to get the perfect set of cards with the biggest flexibility. I'm sorry to all my followers for the huge time it takes to upgrade this deck. I am not playing a lot lately.
March 3, 2013 3:42 a.m.
Shrodinger says... #19
Here is a preview of what I'm working on. It's not fully tested, but it's the best I've come up with so far.
March 3, 2013 4:18 a.m.
You're right but since Gatecrash I haven't seen any reanimatror decks or any with Angel of Serenity Its probably just be my shop though. The big deck is naya and boros for my shop right now.
Anyways really like how you take into account all cards while building this deck to make it effective against any opponent. Thanks for detailed responses.
March 3, 2013 11:26 a.m.
thanks for the updates shrodinger+ keep it up! My naya werewolf build looks exactly like yours the same basic 20 creature shell, same lands even except 4 kessigs. My other difference I'm trying at first 4x Restoration Angel over Garruk entirely. The biggest difference I feel Resto gives me a great bit of reach - especially with Boros Charm. My biggest gripe so far has actually been vs RDW; my early Mayors just get killed, and if I can't find a Huntmaster to stabilize I'm in bad shape. 4x searing spears seems almost required to me against early fast aggro decks, and I do not want boros or selesnya charms in the early game against aggro. With that in mind IMO the "safe" utility package looks something like 2 of each charm, 2 moonmist, and 4 spears for me atm. Resto Angel, I'm not sure if she's "better" than garruk or not, but moonmist feels entirely unnecessary with 8 flash creatures now.
March 3, 2013 4 p.m.
Shrodinger says... #22
The charms can also save your werewolf from a searing spear. The angel also has the bad habit of flipping back your mayor into a human.
March 4, 2013 7:46 p.m.
you could run Yeva, Nature's Herald to give all your werewolves flash.
March 5, 2013 1:58 a.m.
Shrodinger says... #24
She's a 4cmc, would you remove Garruk or Huntmaster for her ? :)
March 5, 2013 5:15 p.m.
My deck list is Mista Wolf.... Fiah, not sure how to link it. So here is the URL http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mistah-wolf-fiah/
yourdeckisdeeplyflawed says... #1
you sir may have won the internet
December 23, 2012 1:22 a.m.