Tenebu's Gravedigging Tendencies | Primer
Commander / EDH
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doctaBernau says... #2
thx
one more question: why do u play Academy Rector over Idyllic Tutor
the rector seems clumsy to me if u dont have a sac engine, or am i wrong?
November 1, 2015 6:16 p.m.
doctaBernau says... #3
-_> by the Boonweaver Giant combo u mean this...?
karmic guide in graveyard, then play _>boonweaver giant->pattern of rebirth tutoring ->reveillark into play
= infinite loop =)
November 1, 2015 6:26 p.m.
hkhssweiss says... #4
No problem!
There are many reasons why I run Academy Rector over Idyllic Tutor. The main and foremost reason is that it tutors for any enchantment card and brings it directly to the field, the most obvious card will be to fetch Pattern of Rebirth if you have another creature on the battlefield otherwise you can use it to grab an sac outlet (Greater Good) an mana doubler (Mirari's Wake) or even a Animate Dead. The other reason is that it is an amazing bait card, in U/W/X decks this Rector searches for Omniscience or it's ilk. If people don't know what this deck does they become wary of what it can pull so they will try to remove it.
The Boonweaver Giant combo goes as follows, it requires any sac outlet and Boonweaver on the field along with Pattern of Rebirth enchanted on it.
Step by Step:
-> Viscera Seer on the battlefield, Boonweaver on the field with Pattern of Rebirth attached on to it.
-> Sac Boonweaver to Vicera Seer, fetch Karmic Guide via Pattern trigger, Karmic Guide ETB trigger, recur back Boonweaver. Boonweaver. ETB trigger recurs back Pattern of Rebirth.
-> Sac Boonweaver to Viscera Seer, fetch Fiend Hunter via Pattern trigger. Fiend Hunter ETB trigger, exile Karmic Guide. Sac Fiend Hunter to Viscera Seer, Fiend Hunter LTB trigger. Karmic Guide ETB trigger, bring back Boonweaver.
-> Sac Boonweaver to Viscera Seer, fetch Reveillark via Pattern trigger. Now you have all the vital pieces in the grave and can start going infinite.
-> Infinite creature tutors via Boonweaver, Infinite sac triggers, Infinite recursion essentially.
The combo has many variances, however the most important part to remember is that you can not have any of the combo pieces in your hand. Boonweaver Giant is pretty much an super powered laxative for your deck, it pretty much flops your whole deck if they don't stop the sac outlet or Boonweaver.
November 1, 2015 6:45 p.m.
hkhssweiss says... #6
Usually I tend to choose Humans or Giants depending on the situation. Humans hit all of the important creatures I run such as Saffi Eriksdotter, Fiend Hunter, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Grand Abolisher. Eternal Witness, and most importantly Academy Rector (Which has been errata into Human Cleric). Giants on other hand are also for important combo pieces such as Boonweaver Giant and Sun Titan. On a last resort if I have no options I would call Dragons just to make sure Teneb is uncounterable, but more then likely I would call the two above latter options.
December 17, 2015 11:19 a.m.
MasterXehanort says... #7
ive made some changes to my Teneb Combo Reanimator to make it a little faster and more options to combo out. tell me what you think of it
December 17, 2015 12:15 p.m.
hkhssweiss says... #8
I like it a lot so far, the lower cmc curve is pretty awesome. There is only one thing I am iffy about in your deck and it is the Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, is there a reason why you would keep it in there?
And if I would suggest if you want to super power your deck, Survival of the Fittest would be a great addition to your deck. It's pretty much an re-usable Fauna Shaman without having to wait each turn and can be activated right away.
December 18, 2015 4:19 p.m.
MasterXehanort says... #9
i took out kozilek i will be getting survival of the fittest but ill be using the world champion edition since its cheeper
December 19, 2015 8:14 p.m.
hkhssweiss says... #10
Yeah that seems to be a great switch, and lowers the overall cmc of your deck.
December 20, 2015 6:22 a.m.
MasterXehanort says... #11
i was also thinking about putting Zombie Infestation in my deck as another discard outlet other than Greater Good.
December 20, 2015 11:24 a.m.
hkhssweiss says... #12
Hmm Zombie Infestation is a okay discard outlet, as it allows you to discard any type of cards. However if your going for more creature discards, Lotleth Troll is a better one imo, as it can also swing and do a great amount of damage. Additionally it is one per discard so when you have your Reveillark or Karmic Guide in hand at those awkward times when your about combo out with Boonweaver Giant you can discard them selectively. Also a great fact about it, is that Lotleth Troll can regenerate :P
December 23, 2015 5:58 a.m.
MasterXehanort says... #13
i want add it in because it's a utility sac out let on a creature. i just got a Phyrexian Plaguelord what do you think i should take out for it.
January 2, 2016 12:24 a.m.
hkhssweiss says... #14
For Zombie Infestation I would play around removing one of your sac outlets or one of your board wipes. Is there a specific reason why you would run Phyrexian Plaguelord over some other sac outlets such as Carrion Feeder, Sadistic Hypnotist, or Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter?
January 2, 2016 4:17 a.m.
MasterXehanort says... #15
i wanted to put Phyrexian Plaguelord in the deck its a utility sac creature that gives -1/-1
January 2, 2016 10:40 p.m.
hkhssweiss says... #16
I would give the same response, you could remove one of your other sac outlets that is around the same cmc or you could try remove one of your board wipes. Otherwise for general cuts and replacement try think of a card that was in your hand that you did not like whenever you play, think of the pros and cons whenever you tried to play it. I don't know how your meta is like but for mines I adjust my deck to suit the play style of the group, it is mostly trial and error when I refine my deck.
Let me know if ya need any other help! :)
January 3, 2016 4:18 a.m.
Cloudy105N says... #17
I'm not sure the Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Walking Ballista combo works. When Walking Ballista comes back in with Mikaeus' ability, it comes back with 1 counter. If you remove that counter to do damage, it no-longer has any counters on it. It is just a 1/1 non-human creature. You'd have to find a way to deal 1 damage to it or something to get it to die again with undying. Also is Mikaeus leaves the field then Walking Ballista will dies and won't have undying. Am I missing anything here?
May 24, 2018 12:44 p.m.
hkhssweiss says... #18
With the Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Walking Ballista , you will need to have a sac outlet to sacrifice the Walking Ballista. That specific combo is a three-card combo, the only reason I choose to run this pair is because with Protean Hulk you can grab both of them, provided you have a sac outlet on the battlefield. Otherwise you would be correct if both of them are on the battlefield with no sac outlet then it doesn't work.
May 24, 2018 4:16 p.m.
Cloudy105N says... #19
That is what I was missing. Thanks for letting me know! Great deck btw
May 25, 2018 7:19 a.m.
hkhssweiss says... #20
No problem! Thanks for checking out my deck! It's been a long work since I started this deck four years ago :P
May 26, 2018 4:16 a.m.
TheAmazingSteve says... #21
I personally am not a fan of Dark Confidant, but I can understand why it is in as a low-drop creature you can tutor for. I don't know exactly how these would work, but perhaps Wall of Omens / Wall of Blossoms could work, as they provide an early cycle, can be recurred via Karmic Guide / Reveillark combo for infinite draw or sacrificed for value.
November 11, 2018 10:49 a.m.
hkhssweiss says... #22
Hey TheAmazingSteve, thanks for taking a look at my deck!
I used to run both of them before in the first iteration of Teneb, however digging one deep is too slow and not impactful enough for it to keep a slot with this current list. Dark Confidant is not there just for a low drop creature I can tutor for, it is essential for applying gas for the hand, the con in taking damage does not out weight the pro in having consistent extra draws as the curve for the deck is fairly low. I'm always happy to see Bob in my hand if I don't get the fast start or even drawing into him.
November 11, 2018 11 a.m.
hoardofnotions says... #23
Maybe add Carpet of Flowers? If you're playing tier one meta's it should always be good. Remember you can trigger it on either of your main phases. So it could be a ritual. Super solid list! Looks like a lot of fun
November 11, 2018 11:31 a.m.
hkhssweiss says... #24
Hey thanks for checking out the list hoardofnotions, I actually have an order of italian Carpet of Flowers coming in and waiting for it before I add it to the list. I appreciate the input!
November 11, 2018 4:56 p.m.
ErebosMortuus says... #25
Hello buddy! Look at this piece of artwork! Cooperation - those guys will be happy to be added here!
hkhssweiss says... #1
This deck is in the process of getting better to go on par with the tier 1 commanders, I am missing only a couple more cards before I can do a remake. The noticeable cards being Imperial Seal and Diabolic Intent. I haven't updated my list in awhile but there are also more combos that have been used and have not added in yet.
Fiend Hunter is not a card to be underestimated, there is many times where he has saved me by doing a long chain of Karmic Guide loops with Phyrexian Altar or Altar of Dementia. In addition to the many ETB triggers there is in the deck for re-usable value, there also lies the point where Fiend Hunter can remove threats on the field.
Stitch Together is a great card, however I am not graveyard heavy in this deck as opposed to my Karador one. My meta is deep in graveyard hate so I cannot rely on my graveyard for threshold unless I am going to go for the win.
Genesis was originally in my deck, however it was too slow if I was trying to win by T4-6. The reason why Wood Elves is in rather than Yavimaya Elder is due to the fact that it does not ramp you. It nets you card draw but does not give you the extra mana, addtionally there is only 6 basic lands in the deck, meaning that the value is more limited after awhile.
Fauna Shaman is also another great card, I would really use it but so far I don't have the space for it. My next iteration of Tenebu will most likely include it but as of now, it is still a bit too slow for my liking. I do not like Evolutionary Leap, it is a good as a budget Survival of the Fittest but the randomness and the fact that it goes straight to your hand is not to ideal when you want to keep what you have hidden away most of the time.
How I normally start depends who is in the pod. Assess your threats and see who you are going against, if you are a against a control based pod, either you go for the fast combo win or just relax and set up and combo after they waste their resources on other players or bait. Aggro heavy pods? Go for the removal route, graveyard is an resource for us, we run trigger abilities that gains advantage the more it comes onto the battlefield. Infinite combo pods? It's either going to be a race to see who can combo out faster or you can choose to be the one that runs the denial and prevent the combo from happening before you combo out yourself.
The way my deck is designed to run is to have combo as primary and toolbox as a secondary. I run the Boonweaver Giant combo, as it is the most efficient and effective combo to go with in abzan colors. It is essentially a two piece combo, you just need Boonweaver Giant and a sac outlet. The back-up plan is going for the other combos or controlling the game until you combo out.
October 30, 2015 7:48 a.m.