Looks like a very well-refined deck! The only few cards I can think of are Blasting Station and Dredge cards like Life from the Loam and Golgari Thug, and technically Grisly Salvage.

Triton

Thanks for the suggestions! It was a long process for the refinement :p

I actually can't run those cards though because my meta is super graveyard hate and I don't actually like having cards in my graveyards. I appreciate the input though!

I am surprised you don't run Apprentice Necromancer, a way to bring a discarded Academy Rector or Protean Hulk out, and sacrifice it for like 3 mana. With Survival of the Fittest and any random creature in hand, you could discard it for a Hulk, discard the Hulk for the Necromancer, and then bring back the hulk+sacrifice it with the Necromancer. One card combo (2 if you include the discarded creature card.)

Fauna Shaman also can do this, albeit a fair amount slower. Additionally, I think Boreal Druid and Avacyn's Pilgrim would be good for the deck.

SynergyBuild

I was actually running Apprentice Necromancer for awhile, I always felt that it was a bit too slow. In addition my meta is super heavy on graveyard hate, in your perspective would you still consider running Apprentice Necromancer?

As for Avacyn's Pilgrim I am in a bit of a dilemma in what I would cut for it, as I been running into a bit more white since the re-inclusion of Fiend Hunter and Silence/Angel's Grace tech. Boreal Druid I would not include due to heavy color requirements.

So far my 'weakest' cards feels like Krosan Grip, Angel's Grace, and Caustic Caterpillar, your thoughts?

The Grip and Grace could be dropped. I feel that I need to know what graveyard hate you are running into, Grafdigger's Cage/Ground Seal or the hardcore Rest in Peace/Leyline of the Void stuff, maybe one-time Bojuka Bog/Relic of Progenitus stuff?

The graveyard hate I run mostly into is mostly the one time drop, which is the reason why the deck is refined to the current point where it is and why I'm not heavily invested into my graveyard before combo-ing out. The most annoying one I tend to have to deal with is Faerie Macabre, the Jhoira deck our meta faces with is the competitive storm build so expect at least 2-3 graveyard hate pieces such as Relic of Progenitus, Tormod's Crypt, Grafdigger's Cage. There are other decks that do tech into Rest in Piece and Leyline of the Void, most of the time they will avoid my graveyard because there are other players playing Inalla, Hulk Thrasios/Tymna, LED Breya, and Competitive Muldrotha that also use their grave.

It's funny because I'm the premiere reason why they tech in all those stuff :P

That makes sense. Well then, because most of your issues with graveyard hate involve 1-0 mana spells, or generally cheap ones, this deck could go a stax-varient, using Teneb to cheat mana costs for large spells in your yard to accrue value, rather than an immediate combo (not that you couldn't have one). Trinisphere, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Sphere of Resistance, Thorn of Amethyst and other cards like it can shut off their cheap hate, by making them spend a turn (or with a Winter Orb, many turns) just to drop something that doesn't help them win.

A Staxier list might rather be a Anafenza, the Foremost deck, shutting off the opposing Druid, Hulk, Kess, and any other reaniamtor, dredge, or most creature-centric lists. But that would be a big change to the deck, so I don't think you would.

As is, a Chalice of the Void could help, I think it on one, while it would hurt you, would hurt your opponents one.

Hmmm, I did contemplate on making the list a staxier version as well before. There are a couple reasons why I didn't go through with it, I find those decks a bit more shaky as you can only control so much. Our current Blood Pod deck player resident is having trouble dealing with this as he can only stax the board so much. The list is quite consistent by accumulating a win condition by T3 or T4 latest, the further the game goes the chances for the other faster deck rises with protection as opposed to this deck which the protection is limited by color.

Going back to the original question, you would consider dropping K-grip and Angel's grace for Apprentice and Avacyn's Pilgrim?

Yeah, though Arbor Elf could work.

Alright I'll test it out in a couple days and see how Apprentice Necromancer does again :P

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That is correct on how you would write it haha!

I don’t know what I could add that would be of use. But this deck is pretty sweet and I may build a version now thanks to you! Great build!

Ghostshaman33

No worries I'm always looking for new ideas and perspective, don't forget to upvote :P

This is a seriously powerful deck and I honestly can't think of a single way to help make it stronger. I would not want to go up against this deck that's for sure

xander11

Haha thanks! This is my most versatile deck, it may not be the most cutthroat and degenerate but it's viewed as one by my meta, I appreciate the +1 though xD

Have you considered Woodland Bellower?

TheAmazingSteve

Woodland Bellower is an amazing card, however due to it being 6 cmc it really hurts the curve a lot, the main targets I would really go far as well is Saffi Eriksdotter or Renegade Rallier but not being able to tutor for a non-green creature also kinda hurts as most of the time I need a sac outlet. In it's place I would rather run another cheap tutor for more consistency as well as easier on curve.

Thank you for the input though I appreciate it!

For the Bellower, Varolz, the Scar-Striped is a great fetchable sacrifice outlet with good synergy with the deck.

SynergyBuild If I try to add in Varolz, what would you suggest I cut that wouldn't hurt the curve, as I have quite a few options of having a sac outlet in terms of Carrion Feeder, Viscera Seer, Phyrexian Tower, High Market, Birthing Pod, as well as flashbacking Cabal Therapy.

My only other flex spot right now is what it seems to be Angel's Grace, and I really don't want to add in anything higher than one cmc for a three cmc.

I would drop Fiend Hunter, it is basically bad Saffi.

Hmmm, I would say otherwise as Fiend Hunter is a great piece that is pretty versatile in either removal or combo, whereas Saffi is just here for combo. Fiend Hunter is also part of many lines where if someone Extract or Praetor's Grasp my pieces, trust me it happens a lot in my meta where I am the main target for a lot of pieces.

Really... I mean I have seen Praetor's Grasp as a bad tutor that doubles as a sick wincon if you can Loop it with Thrasios/Tasigur... but Extract? seems bad.

My meta is a mix play group of cEDH and plenty of meta call cards. We tuned our decks for our competitive play group and not just online as all my decks are in paper. It's the reason why Teneb is built the way he is, and while yes the direct upgrade of this type of this deck is the Thrasio/Tymna Flash Hulk build, I like being unique in refining decks to the utmost level it can be. Our group run's a lot more heavy interaction and resource denial, so it's very common to see a lot of thing's being blown up and carrying on to mid game. Most games don't last longer before turn 7, but the amount of interaction and card removal is plenty, Extract is bad generally, but once you exile your most frequent line of fast combo, you already have to find another line. Like let's say for example, DD Kess, you exile Labman your next line to assemble would be the IsoRev into Aetherflux. Someone also P.Grasp your Aetherflux? Well shit now what is your next line? Extract is also good in Tazri where you can get your Eternal Scourge in exile for F.C. and go on combo on the spot.

I have been tempted to run Praetor's Grasp, several occasion to test it out but sometime's it's just a way to mess with people. My other card I would like would be Grim Tutor but I just don't own one yet.

Here is the group I play with, all of their deck are cEDH tuned and been meta called:

• Narset (Burst/Interactive tuned)
• F.C. Prossh
• Blood Pod (Grave Denial/Stax tuned)
• Oloro (Omni/AotSS tuned)
• Teysa (Hyper Combo tuned)
• JVP Storm (Candelabra tuned)
• Inalla Reanimator
• L.E.D. Breya
• WUBG Hulk (Raza tuned)
• WUBG Paradox Storm
• Tatyova Stax (Bounce Stax tuned)
• Consultation/DD Kess
• Gitrog Lands
• L.E.D. Muldrotha
• Brago Stax (Pure Stax/Combo tuned)
• GAAIV Stax (Land Denial tuned)