That's Fog-ing annoying

Casual Dallie

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KrazyCaley says... #1

Ok, so cuts.

1 - Jace Beleren . Just not as good as your other options. Fine card, but not as good.

2 - Temple Bell - Worse Howling Mine as far as you're concerned.

3 - Noxious Revival - Just not that good a card. Better replaced with just a straight-up card.

4 - All the Rites of Flourishing . You only have 23 land, so you're not actually really going to use its land side much. It just basically functions as a 3-cost Howling Mine with upside for your opponent most of the time.

Then you add - 2x Tamiyo, the Moon Sage (or 1x Tamiyo and 1x Jace MA), and a land.

That would be my advice.

July 23, 2013 8:14 a.m.

Saljen says... #2

July 28, 2013 11:11 a.m.

isdatyu says... #3

i know this is off color but did you think about Notion Thief ?

August 15, 2013 12:21 a.m.

ForPsionics says... #4

I'd suggest Constant Mists because that is probably the best fog card in existence. its basically having tamiyo for one spell.

August 17, 2013 11:42 a.m.

Ultimaodin says... #5

No Tangle

October 11, 2013 6:09 a.m.

Dallie says... #6

@Saljen: Beast Within deals with Planeswalkers, which is why it's there.

@isdatyu: Notion Thief would, being the only creature, eat a removal spell as soon as it came into play, making it a lot worse. It is a good creature though, but with my budget manabase, I'm not likely to include it.

@ForPsionics: I think I'll run Constant Mists over Respite , thank you for the suggestion!

@Ultimaodin: I will run Tangle over 2 of the Moment's Peace . Most of the time, it'll be better, but vigilance is a thing, and so is haste. The mana investment being 2 mana for two turns rather than 5 mana for two turns does however, appeal to me. I might even swap Fog for one as well, as I by turn 1 don't have anything to fog, and after that, I can play around the slightly higher mana cost.

October 13, 2013 1:02 p.m.

Dallie says... #7

Should I add in one more Howling Mine , and if yes, what should I replace it with?

November 6, 2013 10:24 a.m.

urasa says... #8

may I point out how much more evil this deck could be with the addition of a number of Isochron Scepter to imprint your various fogs to.

November 11, 2013 5:27 p.m.

Dallie says... #9

@urasa: The deck would definitely benefit from Isochron Scepter , however, as I find that card to be lamesauce times infinity I'm not likely to add it :p

November 11, 2013 6:05 p.m.

Ragdoll says... #10

Wow. I'd hate to go against this beast. +1 from me. If you're looking for more land fetching, a cheap option is Evolving Wilds . Another good idea for stopping damage would be Clinging Mists , but I'm not sure the game will last long enough for the fateful hour to be of any use.

November 12, 2013 12:38 p.m.

Dallie says... #11

@Ragdoll: Thanks a lot man, Land fetching isn't really a priority as the manabase usually works pretty well. I am working on getting more copies of Hinterland Harbor and Breeding Pool so I won't have to rely on the Evolving Wilds /Terramorphic Expanse cards.

Clinging Mists is an excellent Fog card, but Tangle does the same for less and without me having to drop to less than 5 life. Oh the joys of playing Casual format! :p

November 12, 2013 1:23 p.m.

DimirZer00 says... #12

Nice use of a play on words.

November 12, 2013 3:31 p.m.

asasinater13 says... #13

I always see Fog decks and just think, "why isn't there an Elite Arcanist " so why not include the arcanist, he gives you infinite fogs. or whichever spell you feel the most want for at the moment.

November 17, 2013 8:31 a.m.

Dallie says... #14

@asasinater13: There's a good reason for that. Since this is a creature-less deck, I would have to rely way too much on the 3 copies of Dissipate to protect the Elite Arcanist . If this was a Fog Bank / Hedron Crab / Augur of Bolas kind of deck, I would include it, but if I include the Arcanists, they'll eat removal right away, essentially 2-for-1'ing myself. Seriously; there's nothing the Arcanist doesn't not die to.

November 17, 2013 9:08 a.m.

Dallie says... #15

Thanks for the suggestion though! I would go with the Elite Arcanist effect though, in Isochron Scepter , if I didn't think it was such a lame card.

November 17, 2013 9:09 a.m.

asasinater13 says... #16

definitely makes sense. I see fog mostly less budget than this around snapcaster mage with some other creature support. thanks for clarifying.

November 17, 2013 9:09 a.m.

Dallie says... #17

Yeah, Snapcaster Mage would be an auto-include if it wasn't for the budget. I am considering some amount of Augur of Bolas as they let me dig cards on top of being a decent blocker (I would be okay with the Augur eating a Lightning Strike , simply because I'd only need it to dig), but I'm undecided as of yet.

One thing is for sure; any creature that would go into this deck must have an immediate impact on the game.

November 17, 2013 9:14 a.m.

asasinater13 says... #18

honestly the augur wouldn't do too much for you, it could easily just be a fog card on the draw instead of on the dig. but then you get a potential blocker and the dig is of course more likely to get you a fog than not having it....

on a side note, is there any reason you're running Terramorphic Expanse over Simic Guildgate ?

November 17, 2013 9:27 a.m.

lil_cheez says... #19

Snapcaster is out of budget, so... what about Reclaim and Noxious Revival ? They work differently, but they also "recover" a card in your grave!

asasinater13: Guildgates are situational. Say you play a guildgate turn 1 than the following turns you only get Reliquary Tower s. With the guildgate, you may play a Fog, and later a Jace's Erasure etc, you know? :)

November 17, 2013 10 a.m.

Dallie says... #20

@asasinater13: It's a one of for the rare case that I need fixing and also because it synergizes well with Tamiyo, the Moon Sage 's ultimate. It also lets me shuffle my library in case Brainstorm reveals nothing good.

November 17, 2013 10:04 a.m.

asasinater13 says... #21

ah, makes more sense then. you seemed to have thought behind everything in this, I figured there was some reason.

November 17, 2013 10:09 a.m.

Dallie says... #22

@lil_cheez: I used to have Noxious Revival in the deck as a 1 of, but with the consistency of the deck improving, I felt it was unnecessary. I am running ten 2 CMC, or less, fog effects and then another 5 "return-wipes". I can easily draw into more, so I felt like it wasn't needed anymore.

@asasinater13: I -did- think hard about the include of Terramorphic Expanse and the main reason I'm not swapping it out right now, is because when (if) I get a playset of Breeding Pool and/or Hinterland Harbor the benefit of shuffling is going to outweigh the mana fixing probability by leagues, due to the mana base already being very consistent now. With 8 duals, I should be more than set for the game.

Because my plan is to acquire the land, I won't swap it for a Simic Guildgate . I would though, if I couldn't afford the lands/was sure I was never going to get them by trade.

November 17, 2013 10:14 a.m.

Dallie says... #23

@asasinater13: So you are pretty much spot on, if it wasn't for reasoning that I hadn't publicized :p

I'm really glad that you question all this though, since it helps me when I do my "pros-cons" of cards in the deck though! :) Thank you very much!

November 17, 2013 10:15 a.m.

asasinater13 says... #24

Anytime, glad to be questioning

November 17, 2013 10:24 a.m.

Dallie says... #25

@lil_cheez: I could actually see myself swapping Increasing Confusion for Keening Stone .

November 24, 2013 11:14 a.m.

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