Just a few random, potentially synergistic cards to combine with Thrumming Stone and the Shadowborn Apostles: Mortal Combat , Death Match , Genesis Chamber , Minion Reflector , Suture Priest /Soul Warden /Soul's Attendant ... and you have to give Dictate of Erebos a spot, as it would absolutely wreck face. Awesome deck +1

Thanks a ton for the +1 and suggestions, babydaggers! I'm actually sitting at 102 cards right now. I'm trying to figure out waht to cut. I do want Dictate of Erebos in here, though.

Its almost suicidal, but I found that Carnival of Souls works really well because it helps to pump out the apostiles the instant they come back into your hand. However, find a way to keep it from killing you is another story.

Yeah, that could be cool if I wasn't so reliant on Thrumming Stone . It's almost worth inclusion just 'cause it'd be useful if it showed up in an opening hand, but it could be a dead card outside of that.

Plus, if anyone lands any token combos or anything I'd get deleted real fast.

Maybe if you did something centred on that + Platinum Angel ?

I don't wanna do that with this deck though.

Oh, if anyone's reading this, I still wanna cut 4(ish) cards from the mainboard to make room for some things. I'd like to hear some opinions on that.

I would look at Dark Confidant , one of your tutors (probably Imperial Seal since you likely don't own it anyway) and one of the less-amazing demons like Havoc Demon . Havoc is legit, but not a game-winner. Speaking of, why Abyssal Persecutor and not Desecration Demon ? Sure, your opponent can sac to stop the Desecration, but unless they're running a token strategy, that's all upside for you.

Abyssal Persecutor is my politics card. You can quickly gain the upper hand by temporarily aligning with someone. I had a couple of sac-outlets and quick removal to get rid of it if I wanted to, but those have since been cut. I'm probably gonna get rid of it just 'cause I can't really get rid of it when I want to now. If I start running things like Phyrexian Tower he might end up back in here though.

No Desecration Demon because I never really have an excuse to pull him out. Sure, he's cheap and whatnot, but I don't want any demons in my hand anyways. There's other demons with more valuable effects that I can tutor for.

Havoc isn't supposed to be a game winner, it's supposed to save my skin when someone's got an army of regenerating/hexproof/indestructible pains in my ass. It's not a card I'd ever pull if I had an upper hand really.

The only reason I'm keeping Imperial Seal on the list is 'cause I'd still like to completely max-out the potential on this deck. I come here to build dream decks mostly, not budget ones.

Good call on Abyssal Persecutor though. I didn't realize how much I was lacking sac outlets with the recent changes.

If you have Blood Artist on the field with Carnival of Souls , then when you sack your apostles you gain your life back, lose it, and continually stay the the same amount of life. However, the opponent will die from it. I would suggest putting it in sideboard just in case you are going against an opponent that is more inclined to spells, because then you would not have to worry about losing that much life.

On another note, you can send out a turn one Demon of Death's Gate if you have Dark Ritual and 3 apostles with it in your hand. No one likes turn one 9/9 demons though in multiplayer so you will get aggro immediately and it is situational but I am a fan of it mostly because I have a standard built around Demon of Deaths Gate.

I've had a demon deck for around a 7 months now that I keep going back and forth between using the shadowborne apostles or not. I originally just had several low cost demons and then a ton of mana ramp but this deck has helped me figure out how to use shadowborn apostles effectively.

Thanks for the help!

Good call on that, it's just unfortunate that there's no sideboard tech allowed in EDH theotheloving. That would definitely be a good choice against burn decks though.

Demon of Death's Gate certainly seems like it could do some work in french/1v1 EDH. I'm not sure how I feel about it in group play though; as you said, it paints a massive target on your head if you crank out something that fat on turn 3. Plus, my idea of a perfect hand is 2 lands and 5 apostles, maybe a bit of card draw in place of an apostle. I'm not really a fan of palming the demons.

And no problem at all! That's probably my ultimate goal when I make decks here, really. I love to see people take an already developed idea and expand upon it. I'm just glad that this deck has informed/inspired at least one person out there. Best of luck with your demon/apostles deck. :)

For trolling last round plays, Debt to the Deathless . Nothing is more hilarious than pulling that card on the last turn of the game and swinging with everything. You have enough mana ramp to justify it.

Sorry, one last thing I forgot to mention to you. For more game control and such, try Extractor Demon . Every time you sack your apostles, your opponent has to mill twelve cards. Personally, getting milled 12 cards every other turn or so is terrifying and a decent alternate win that really doesn't force you to change your deck style too much. Also, everyone hates mill and I enjoy they look of frustration on my friends face when I mill out one of their best cards or whatever else.

Well, it seems I am gonna try to make a deck based around this. Athreos is my favorite god, and this just asks for a troll of a deck.

Good luck with that, humanbean! Sorry for the late reply; haven't been on much lately.

And apologies to everyone else as well who I haven't replied to; unintentional magic hiatus lol

Dude seriously, no Ob Nixilis, Unshackled ? He will grow huge from sacking all your apostles and deal a ton of damage with his evasion (trample), and punish your opponents for tutoring answers. So powerful.

Otherwise this is an awesome deck though. +1 for the awesome idea and execution.

I highly recommend you try and add some removal and / or additional taxing though (Indulgent Tormentor as an example). Pumping out demons isn't enough and you will have to face threats if you really want to win. Perhaps a stax sub-theme, with your apostles as a cheap way of keeping a superior board state?

I wish you could include Bloodbond March or a similar card in this deck, it would be stupid good for your apostles and consistency.

Dude I've got a deck a lot like this! Nice nice nice! Glad to know I'm not the only loon doing recursion shenanigans. Speaking of, you may consider adding Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker - an absolute house! Get em all back, if not to your hand, then the field!

Have a look at mine if you like: Death is Highly Overrated

Hey shermanido37, sorry for the 4-month-late reply. I didn't even notice that comment lol

I definitely need Ob Nix in there, I haven't updated this deck since he was released. I have a friend on here who likes sneaking this thing onto the feature queue, so I guess I should be doing some work on it cough Caligula cough

And fuck yeah, thuzra! I definitely need Shirei in here. I've just got too many cards in the list as it is, so I have no idea what I'd take out for it. I feel like the slot it takes up may be better reserved for a utility demon.

My brother made a deck like this. He ran Karador, Ghost Chieftain as his commander, and he played the deck the same way every time by sacrificing 6 apostles to play Rune-Scarred Demon, then tutor up Bloodbond March. Then proceeded to go crazy. It wasn't fun to play against it. In fact, here it is on tappedOut:

Lmao, I think there's lots of fun stuff for the deck out that could work.

I think the new guy Archfiend of Depravity would be good.

Just here to give out some information, particularly on why Griselbrand is banned in EDH. In EDH you have 40 life. That means Griselbrand's ability to draw you cards is completely meaningless to your life total. Also the fact that he is a 7/7 flying lifelink body is just gravy on top of the fact you've probably just drawn 7-35 cards.

If you want to make sure you get both Sanguine Bond and Exquisite Blood together, why not use Diabolic Revelation ?

You gotta refresh this comment page Dave lmao, It's so long.

Thanks for the suggestion, HumstuckMTG. I've got so many cards to work in here.. it's gonna take a while.

Also, you're right Caligula. Comments reset.

Looks like you have the curve for ad nauseum, and bro, where is your Teysa, Orzhov Scion? Why run Xathrid Necromancer over Rotlung Reanimator? Fuck Sanguine Bond and Exquisite Blood. You can go with Tendrils of Agony!! Moreover, Yawgmoth's Will and cards like Songs of the Damned or Crypt of Agadeem. I see that Mortal Combat in your maybe... so add an Extractor Demon and make it happen!! With Athreos on the field, it will guarantee that cards go back to your hand. How about Remembrance?? You only really need 34 apostles to Thrumming Stone effectively, so you have plenty of room for crazy shenanigans. Pawn of Ulamog, Lightning Coils. CRAY.

illumfolly the whole point of athreos is to keep your stuff out of the graveyard so most of those cards wont help. With Athreos out your stuff will never hit the graveyard.

I've tried to improve/cheapen your build for my own use. if you could give any critique/suggestions id appreciate it, also isn't Dictate of Erebos better than Grave Pact in an Athreos deck since it works when creatures die not when they go to the grave yard?