The average is probably 2-3 creatures.

@PlanetEarth

I'll post sideboarding choices tonight when I get home. I just havn't had time yet.

I feel 3 Ojutai in the main is a little risky. I know how good it is, but if it hits the field it will never be removed so I think you are likely to draw another before the first dies. I'd pull 1 and put in 1 Icefall Regent because it is a dragon, helps a lot in some matchups, and will help you avoid legendary problems. Good luck!

3 Dragonlord Ojutai isn't bad. Some lists even run 4 copies. I don't think replacing one with an Icefall Regent would be nearly as good.

tyvm @TheHroth. I look forward to reading about your strategy.

Okay so today is the first day I actually have to do this, PlanetEarth, so I will have it up by tonight I hope.

Great work, as always. Got my +1

Thanks a lot! Any suggestions?

My personal preference is to shy away from a full set of Digs, maybe drop one and add a third anticipate. Multiple DtT's kills an opening hand but muliple anticipates sting less, imho. I also (again, personal preference) like no less than six dragons mb to fire off Silumgar's Scorn more reliably. Have you considered Foul Renewal? Let them waste a kill spell or board wipe on your Drifting Death then drop FR to bring it back to your hand _and_emphasized text__ take your pick of their creatures to kill. All in all, there aren't many other changes I can see that would improve what you've already fine-tuned.

Haven of the Spirit Dragon already accomplishes the job of recurring my dead dragons. I think it is a much better option that Foul Renewal. While it cannot act as removal, it accomplishes the same task for less mana, and is a card that can be played before I need it, and so will not rot away in my hand uselessly until I can use it (if I even get a chance to).

I've found that 5 dragons is great for Silumgar's Scorn. I used to only run 4 (a 2/2 split) but added the 3rd Dragonlord Ojutai primarily because it is just so damn good, but second because it made Silumgar's Scorn an active Counterspell much more reliaby. I would consider a 6th dragon, but so many wincons seems risky to me, because I'd have to cut some control elements.

While multiple copies of Dig Through Time definitely rot away in the early game, it is just way too good to not use a full set. I need them to be able to reliably find the cards I need for whatever scenario I'm in.

Do you feel as if you need all 8 sources of white in the deck? I'm considering running a grixis variant splashing red for Dragonlord Kolaghan and sideboarded Rending Volley because there's so much white in general at my lgs, so just wanted a second opinion because mana is basically the same in either variant.

If you'll be running , Keranos, God of Storms will be a must.

Idk if all 8 temples are necessary, but what else would I replace them with? Pain lands are too bad against a rather quick meta, and adding Flooded Strand and basic Plains would make the mana too inconsistent.

A full 12 scry lands also let me cut Dissolve in favor of Dissipate. The exile effect of the latter matters a lot in the current meta, with Haven of the Spirit Dragon being played in the mirror and dragons, Deathmist Raptor and key Den Protector targets in almost any deck, as well as any creature in whatever Whip of Erebos deck I may come across. So far the switch from Dissolve has proven to be well worth it.

I never thought about it that way regarding Dissolve but that makes sense. I was just wondering if you've ever had problems getting a white source running less, but the scary is also justifiable for that reason. I have Keranos, God of Storms as a consideration, just not sure what to cut for it. I'll hammer out the build later today and test it out.

Tag me in it when you have the list up, I'd love to see it and share more thoughts on it.

Awesome deck here for sure. I am running a pretty similar Esper deck but was just wondering what your thoughts on Narset Transcendent are. I personally love her for the ability to rebound ideally Dig Through Time or a Hero's Downfall if the Dig is out of reach. I have found that if you can resolve Narset and keep her alive long enough to rebound Dig, you pretty much win automatically because of the massive card advantage.

Outside of that everything makes sense, although I will probably continue to run Dissolve over Dissipate on personal preference but I certainly understand your reasoning for swapping them. +1 from me.

I have a copy of Narset Transcendent, but I feel like she just doesn't have enough oomph most of the time. While rebounding Dig Through Time is definitely gg, unless you can do that...I feel like there are better things to do for 4 mana. The biggest problem with her right now is that Hero's Downfall will snipe her almost every time, unless you wait until you have 6 or 7 mana, to drop her and hold up a counterspell, and at that point, just wait an extra land and drop Dragonlord Ojutai.

Until Theros is gone, I don't think I'll be playing her too much.

Here's the list. Again, just a starting list for now, the UB shell is just so packed already.

Cruelty runs deep on Tarkir

Have You considered Banishing Light, at least in sideboard, for Mastery of the Unseen deck or other pesky artifacts and enchantments, since you don't seem to have ways to deal with them minus Perilous Vault

I haven't. Nobody really plays much I can't deal with in my meta. Perilous Vault can actually be found quite easily when I do need it for the one Whip of Erebos deck in my meta, but other than that, it really isn't needed.

Thanks for the suggestion though!

Another control deck in the league, turboFog may have been a bad choice... Good luck though!

I've been building a deck of this similar build but thought about putting ugin,the spirit dragon I'm not sure it would be a good idea with ojitai that's what I can't figure out and would appreciate a little advice on the pros and con's of adding ugin to this mix

I think Ugin started to be left out from the deck when people started to realise esper dragons is more midrange than control and wants to slam down ojutai early. Ugin is a goddamn powerful card, no doubt about that but in Esper Dragons he's kind of late to the party.

Ugin is an insurance policy, its end game inevitability is very high and I think he fits more into pure U/B. In a slow meta where you'd have to clean up stuff he'd be a very good card for esper dragons too. On a final note, remember that even though Ugin synergizes with Haven he does not synergize with scorn and prerogative.

That about sums it up.

This is cool, i used similar but instead of those fetch lands i use mana confluence because i add white cards like brave the sands, greaaaat for Ojuita's hexproof :)

OK I didn't know that's why asked. On a side note if I did want to run one more dragon to make it 6 knowing the how risky it is what dragon would you suggest I'm a risk taker you win some you loose I'm just playing with friends without tourtement restrictions