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Commander / EDH FLATSO99

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Didgeridooda says... #1

I think you need much more consistency in your land base. Do you have a budget for it going forward? Have you seen Dominus - Dreamcrusher Edition?

June 26, 2016 3:40 p.m.

FLATSO99 says... #2

i have seen Dominus - Dreamcrusher Edition but wasent sure how much of it would i need in this deck?

June 27, 2016 8:36 a.m.

Didgeridooda says... #3

The land base, and ramp there are high end. Lands are in my opinion the most important part of a deck, especially one that has multiple colors. That is why I was asking. Is this a paper deck, or an online one?

June 27, 2016 1:10 p.m.

FLATSO99 says... #4

this is currently an online deck but if i can perfect it i will get it real!

June 27, 2016 1:37 p.m.

Didgeridooda says... #5

Expect to spend around 50% of your budget on lands. That is what I do. Use Epoch's deck as a framework for your land base I would say.

June 27, 2016 1:45 p.m.

FLATSO99 says... #6

do you think i could take out Imperial Seal as that would greatly reduce the cost of this deck?

June 27, 2016 5:33 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #7

1) Significantly too many lands - even 40 is on the high end.

2) How do you win turn one, if I may ask?

3) Gleemax is not EDH-legal, unless you play by non-standard rules.

June 27, 2016 6:12 p.m.

Aggro-Blaster says... #8

Pemmin's Aura Is another Freed from the Real. Might help with consistency. How often does this win turn 1? Also what mulligans do you go by?

June 27, 2016 6:26 p.m.

Didgeridooda says... #9

For me if you don't have the cards in paper take a second, and figure out a budget. You might have to cut stuff like the seal, and that is ok. Not everyone has those kind of cards, they are just max effort cards. Mad props if you run it, but you can do well without it. Don't break the bank. I build EDH decks with set budgets of 10, 20 or 30 dollars now. I use what I have, and trades, but limiting the $ spent helps keep me in check.

June 27, 2016 6:58 p.m.

FLATSO99 says... #10

Daedalus19876 i am still working on the land base and as for winning turn one play Chrome Mox,Lotus Petal,and/or Mana Crypt if your not useing the artifact combo play Concordant Crossroads, and if nessacary play cards like Eladamri's Vineyard then once you have ramped up enough play Arbor Elf, and Utopia Sprawl on one of your Forests then play one of your tutors unless you have one in hand and search for Exsanguinate, Blue Sun's Zenith, Gelatinous Genesis, Hydra Broodmaster, or Death Cloud and finish them of the other combo is easyer to play just play Chrome Mox, Lotus Petal, and/or Mana Crypt and an Island and play one of your kill cards. and as for Gleemax i had no idea it was not commander legal and will remove it shortly thanks for your comment:)

June 27, 2016 9:18 p.m.

FLATSO99 says... #11

Aggro-Blaster i will add Pemmin's Aura so its more consistent as for how often it wins turn one i do not know yet as the deck is under major revison but i will tell you once i have fixed it up thanks for your comment

June 27, 2016 9:23 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #12

Mana Screw isn't a commander-legal card: nothing with a silver border is :(

June 27, 2016 9:25 p.m.

FLATSO99 says... #13

Didgeridooda i will take out Imperial Seal and begin work on the land base at about a 700 dollor budget if thats possible do i need these land from Dominus - Dreamcrusher Edition Bayou, Gaea's Cradle, Tropical Island Boseiju, Who Shelters All Underground Sea, Wasteland thanks for your help=)

June 27, 2016 9:31 p.m.

FLATSO99 says... #14

Daedalus19876 dident no that wasent commander legal it wasent a very good card any way =)

June 27, 2016 9:33 p.m.

Mortlocke says... #15

So what exactly is your wincon with this deck? I might be misinterpreting the name of your deck, but it appears that it can win on turn 1. But the combo you have listed doesn't seem to work that way.

I don't mean to echo previous comments, but you definitely do need to work on your land base. To be honest, it's the most important part of your deck outside of your win cons. Since you're all about speed, have a ridiculous budget, and are going for , why don't you consider the Onslaught/Khans block Fetchlands? Verdant Catacombs, Misty Rainforest, and Polluted Delta are the ones for you. Since you are pursuing the original dual lands, you can tutor for them using the previously mentioned cards. I see that you intend on acquiring Gaea's Cradle. Honestly, I don't think that is the card for you because your deck doesn't contain many creatures. Unfortunately, you won't be able to take full advantage of the card.

Gleemax and Mana Screw...I wouldn't allow you to play either of those cards if we were playing together. Just sayin'. Those are unhinged cards for a darn good reason. The closest substitute for Gleemax I can think of is Curse of Echoes, which has a somewhat similar effect...but obviously on not such a broken level. You already have Mana Crypt, so the next best thing to sub out for Mana Screw would be maybe Simic Signet...as you seem to have all the better rocks already in the deck.

I'm sorry this'll sound a bit nitpicky, but EDH decks don't have sideboards. Mox Opal is better suited for more artifact heavy decks, so i'd suggest probably putting in Golgari Signet.

June 28, 2016 8:50 a.m. Edited.

Didgeridooda says... #16

Flatso, you don't need them, but they sure do help. They are the best lands there. Gaea's cradle is prob the land I would give highest priority on that list, but would prob not get specifically for this deck. Just because it is reserve list, and will prob be insane soon. Boseiju is very enabling, and duals are some of the most powerful cards ever. All comes down to your preference. On 700 budget for the deck you can not do them all though, so you will have to prioritize.

Def get the 3 shocks Breeding Pool, Watery Grave, Overgrown Tomb, 3 fetches Polluted Delta, Verdant Catacombs, Misty Rainforest, and you can also use things like Wooded Foothills if the Zen fetches price out of the budget.

There are check lands like Hinterland Harbor, Drowned Catacomb

Fast lands like Darkslick Shores

There are many good comes into play untapped lands that you can choose. Look around at some decks that are in the 700 dollar range so you know what to expect. It is a pretty good budget, but you will have to leave out some of the more powerful lands. My esper deck is 1k, and does not have duals.

June 28, 2016 8:57 a.m. Edited.

Mortlocke says... #17

I agree with everything else you said,Didgeridooda, but Gaea's Cradle is a card that doesn't do much for a 10 creature deck. FLATSO99's deck has relatively few creatures compared to everything else the deck is packing. Sure, if there were 2 or 3 creatures on the battlefield it'd be great but given just how few there are I don't think he will truly be able to take full advantage of this card. For ~$200, i'd want to get a ridiculous amount of ramp out of this. Not just have it provide me a meager or . But that's just my opinion.

June 28, 2016 9:05 a.m.

Mortlocke says... #18

I agree with everything else you said,Didgeridooda, but Gaea's Cradle is a card that doesn't do much for a 10 creature deck. FLATSO99's deck has relatively few creatures compared to everything else the deck is packing. Sure, if there were 2 or 3 creatures on the battlefield it'd be great but given just how few there are I don't think he will truly be able to take full advantage of this card. For ~$200, i'd want to get a ridiculous amount of ramp out of this. Not just have it provide me a meager or . But that's just my opinion.

June 28, 2016 9:05 a.m.

Didgeridooda says... #19

I feel ya. I was just saying (poorly) that the list of lands there is not the priority. A balanced untapped land base should be. I personally wish I had a cradle. So useful in other things. My preference on that card had nothing to do with that deck, and I regretted typing that as soon as I hit post lol. I agree with you on this decks's use for cradle though.

June 28, 2016 9:09 a.m.

Didgeridooda says... #20

Though Boseiju should be a priority. It is spectacular as combo protection. Would be one of the first things I got for this deck.

Also good advice, but on a 700 dollar budget, I think you can out preform signets. Do not forget Skyshroud Claim put the 2 green shocks in play.

June 28, 2016 9:11 a.m.

FLATSO99 says... #21

@LVL_666 & Didgeridooda i have updated the land base but im sure i missed a few things i cut Imperial Seal, Mana Screw and added in some new stuff but now im short 14 cards what should i add? thanks for your comments

June 28, 2016 9:54 a.m.

FLATSO99 says... #22

Didgeridooda are there any more cards like Darkslick Shores as that has an awsome ability?

June 28, 2016 9:58 a.m.

FLATSO99 says... #23

oh and what cards could out perform signets that i should add?

June 28, 2016 9:59 a.m.

FLATSO99 says... #24

@LVL_666 i was asking if i had to put Gaea's Cradle in because it so expensive:)

June 28, 2016 10:01 a.m.

Mortlocke says... #25

FLATSO99 you don't HAVE to put in Gaea's Cradle, but I suggest that you don't. Mostly because you don't have a creature heavy deck. For GC to really ramp, you need to continually populate the battlefield...that is something that you deck simply doesn't do as far as I can tell.

In terms of Mana, you can include City of Brass, Gemstone Mine, Mana Confluence, and Exotic Orchard

Also, can you spell out exactly how you get your turn 1 win? Spell it out for me like i'm 5: Turn 1, play card 1, then 2, 3, etc...?

June 28, 2016 10:16 a.m. Edited.

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