prosperonight says... #2
Dragonspeaker Shaman provides a better benefit than Dragonlord's Servant at the same general part of my curve (under 5 CMC), so I opted for the better one rather than the new one. Dragon Whisperer conditionally puts out small Dragons, which Dragon Roost can always put out larger Dragons and won't die in a board wipe. Deathbringer Regent is a good card, but I'm already running four board wipes, so a conditional one doesn't have a strong slot in my deck, even with the interactions with Cavern of Souls et al. I've found that it's better in control builds with black than actual Dragon decks.
April 25, 2015 2:16 a.m.
prosperonight says... #4
Steel Hellkite has been card #103ish for a while now.
April 25, 2015 9:59 a.m.
smiffdemon says... #5
Descent of the Dragons? Steal your opponents entire field with your commander!
May 14, 2015 10:38 p.m.
prosperonight says... #6
It's thematic, but I don't know what I'd cut for it. It's also a total of 13CMC to pull off. This deck ramps, but there are other things I'd rather hit for 13CMC, like casting Increasing Ambition then flashbacking it. I bet Descent of the Dragons would go great in a Prossh, Skyraider of Kher deck, where you could destroy all of your own kobolds and get dragons in return.
May 14, 2015 11:57 p.m.
smiffdemon says... #7
13 CMC is a lot, I agree.
It's definitely most viable if you throw Karrthus into the graveyard and reanimate it with a cheap spell like Life/Death or Animate Dead. At least, that's how I've managed to pull off that combo in my Scion deck.
May 15, 2015 1:20 a.m.
prosperonight says... #8
I have a couple graveyard interactions going on, but that's not the direction I want to go with this, especially with my meta.
May 15, 2015 10:28 a.m.
Yoshi400x7 says... #10
Sarkhan Vol, Doubling Season, Kilnmouth Dragon, Life's Finale, Furyborn Hellkite, Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon, Steel Hellkite, Thunderbreak Regent, Sarkhan's Triumph, Signal the Clans, Into the Wilds, just basically go looking at my deck. I have won many games with that deck.
May 17, 2015 10:59 p.m.
prosperonight says... #11
Wow. Big list there.
Sarkhan Vol was in the list, but I'm testing out Garruk, Caller of Beasts in its place for the moment. Doubling Season seems like a winmore at this point, since the deck does not consistently make tokens or counters, and there are only three planeswalkers to abuse with. Kilnmouth Dragon seems okay, but not good enough to cut anything existing I have, and I don't like sharing information with opponents. Life's Finale is good, but I already run five board wipes and I don't have room for it. Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon is also good, but I'm not running alt-wins in the deck. Steel Hellkite is good, but there's no room for it. Thunderbreak Regent doesn't seem effective enough in EDH, since 3 damage is negligible and board wipes are more common than spot removal; it's a much better tempo card for constructed. Sarkhan's Triumph and Signal the Clans are bad value, since they only tutor one thing which then has to be revealed; if I was to add another tutor, I'd just add Demonic Tutor and call it a day. Into the Wilds is just really slow ramp compared to the rest of the deck, with no immediate effect and a chance to be removed before it does anything good.
In the future, could you explain your suggestions any, and maybe suggest what you think should be cut for them?
Thanks for your comments.
May 18, 2015 11:16 a.m.
Yoshi400x7 says... #12
so why no ravnica bounce lands? they are good at mana ramping in the early game and also later especially if you have Amulet of Vigor. also have you tried adding any of the big name swords to this deck. Sword of Feast and Famine would be a great one in your deck just so you could play more dragons a turn. also Ryusei, the Falling Star is a great board wipe for you since all of your creatures are flying so it only hurts your opponents. Dragon Egg is also good because the way I see it in this deck you don't really have anything you can bring out early and in most games it is good to have something there for when your opponents bring out their big guns or perhaps that is just how my playgroup is. also how is Dragon Roost working out for you? are you really able to play it then use it next turn or does it get blown up. Sarkhan Vol Doubling Season and Sarkhan the Mad is the perfect combo to win but I'm guessing by your last comment that you aren't really trying to have multiple win-cons. also I'm not seeing anything about Furyborn Hellkite? great card to use in a dragon deck when you are almost always going to have damage go through. who doesn't love a 12/12 flyer?
May 20, 2015 2:39 a.m.
prosperonight says... #13
I don't use Ravnica bounce lands because I wanted to avoid taplands in this deck, as well as maximizing basics for ramping purposes. The only taplands in this deck are Bojuka Bog (the utility is worth it) and Savage Lands (trilands are worth it). Also, bounce lands don't put you at more mana faster, they put you at more mana later. They also don't think your deck like normal ramping.
I thought about playing Sword of Feast and Famine for a while, but I opted for Bear Umbra instead. There also aren't a lot of auras and no equipments here.
Ryusei, the Falling Star is good, but not better than something I have or would want to cut. Dragon Egg is pretty bad. It only makes a 2/2 token, with no real value in a format with this power level. I'd rather spend turn 3 ramping anyway.
Dragon Roost works for me pretty well. I don't always use it the intimidate next turn, but it's nice to have the threat there.
I'm not against multiple wincons. I just didn't like Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon as an alt-wincon. The planewalker combo you listed isn't an alt-wincon; it's winning through damage, like the rest of the deck. I do like Sarkhan the Mad but it doesn't require Sarkhan Vol to put it off.
Furyborn Hellkite is okay, but it actually works against the Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund strategy. I want to cast creatures in the first main phase, not the second. I also don't like creatures with conditional casting requirements.
Thanks for your comments.
May 20, 2015 4:35 p.m.
Signal Pest says... #14
I would not recommend running Karthus as your commander, primarily because it is a very simple way to get all of your dragons stolen from you. All it takes it a single blue player to be running a clone, and you find yourself fighting your own deck. A slightly better option, if you want to run five color dragons, is Scion of the Ur-Dragon. He's a powerful enough commander, and if you run him with any type of graveyard recursion ((Patriarch's Bidding)) he gets much better.
May 29, 2015 11:53 a.m.
prosperonight says... #15
Running Karrthus has been extreme successful for me, despite having been hit by clones before as you've indicated. This is usually pretty simple to mitigate with removal and recasting, although I have considered adding a Homeward Path for this purpose.
I have no intention of running five-color dragons, as I feel like the deck would lose focus. I would also have to pony up for a five color land base, and I'm not going to do that.
Thank you for your comment.
May 30, 2015 12:24 a.m.
Signal Pest says... #16
Fair enough point on the mana base there. Well, either way, have you considered Aggravated Assault? It works well, turning any of your dragons into a Bear Umbra + Hellkite Charger combo. Gruul Charm is another way to get all your creatures back with some added utility.
May 30, 2015 12:38 a.m. Edited.
prosperonight says... #17
Aggravated Assault was considered, but I already have three ways to get extra combat steps that are tied to actual creatures (so there's always some value) and I don't think anything is worth cutting to get more. Gruul Charm is good (played it plenty in standard), but the other two modes actually don't do that much for this deck (and might even be a nonbo).
Thank you for your comment.
May 30, 2015 1:46 p.m.
Karns_Pyromancer says... #18
Have you considered Aggravated Assault+Savage Ventmaw?
What about Conspiracy+Scrambleverse?
June 10, 2015 3:51 p.m.
prosperonight says... #19
I run Hellkite Charger instead of Aggravated Assault for the extra combat steps. I do already run Savage Ventmaw though.
Conspiracy with Scrambleverse looks funny, but that's not really an effect I'm looking for in this deck, even with the Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund steal.
Thank you for your comments.
June 10, 2015 4:21 p.m.
The_Hunter says... #20
Patriarch's Bidding is an out standing card for tribal. Rakdos Charm is also a super versatile card that could be great in your deck along with the best red removal spell Chaos Warp. I have a Karrthus deck my self but it is split into two different decks I would love for you to check out. BAM! Dragons! and They say hell hath no fury like Kolaghan's Storm.
Steaditup says... #1
Dragonlord's Servant? Dragon Whisperer? Deathbringer Regent for board wipes?
April 25, 2015 2:06 a.m.