GoldGhost012 says... #2
Thanks for the thoughts!
To be honest I'm not sold on the Prism Rings either. I just kinda threw them in because I made this late at night and I wasn't sure what else I should include.
One thing I noticed while playtesting last night was that, without Dictate of Kruphix in play, this deck can run out of gas quickly. I'll probably take another look at your deck for some ideas, but currently I'm thinking a couple Weave Fates might not be a bad idea.
I'll be playtesting this more either later tonight or tomorrow. I may make some changes like -4 Prism Ring, -1 Dissolve, +1 Despise/Thoughtseize, +2 Weave Fate, +2 Hero's Downfall.
July 16, 2015 3:42 p.m.
Why dont you add Monastery Siege, Khans for card adventage and extra drow brings sinergy with Sphinx's Tutelage, also help to cast Treasure Cruise because the discard, and if u face certain types of decks, you can choose Dragons intead
July 17, 2015 2:32 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #4
Until it rotates out, I believe Dictate of Kruphix is better. Monastery Siege is currently slotted as its replacement.
July 17, 2015 8:05 p.m.
I think Monastery Siege is better because it doesn't give your opponents card advantage while drawing you the same amount for Sphinx's Tutelage
July 23, 2015 3:05 a.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #6
I'm not sure that I like the number of put-into-hand draw spells (Dig and Anticipate). I cut Anticipate from my control lists a while back- it's not really that good. I think this spot would be better filled with a combination of Treasure Cruise, removal, and Clash of Wills. Clash is an incredibly good card.
If you decide to run Cruise, I think you'd need to cut down on either Dig or Cut, the 7 Delve spells would be way too much.
August 19, 2015 9:51 p.m.
I agree, Dig Through Time is amazing but Cruise would be really good for Sphinx's Tutelage
August 19, 2015 11:41 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #8
I don't really think I've ever been disappointed in Anticipate. Maybe as I test more it'll be different, but for now I think I'll keep it and at least test for it.
I personally don't like Treasure Cruise as much as Dig Through Time. Yeah I don't get as many cards or Sphinx's Tutelage triggers, but I think selecting what comes next is generally better for the control deck. Would I rather have lands and a Send to Sleep, or a Crux of Fate and a Dragonlord's Prerogative? That's the main issue I have with Cruise; most of the time Dig Through Time will probably be more relative to the game plan. If it doesn't close the game out as fast, why is that a bad thing? As a control deck, my focus should be on shutting down the opponent and winning at my own pace, correct? As long as I'm able to shut my opponent down, it shouldn't matter (much) if I end up winning a few turns later, I think.
That's not to say that I don't understand why Treasure Cruise is being run in Tutelage decks. I would just rather play Dig because it appears to be stronger for a control gameplan as a personal preference.
August 20, 2015 1:55 a.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #10
Anticipate isn't a bad card. It's not going to disappoint you. Once I changed over to running more counter magic and, in my case, burn, I could see that the deck ran more efficiently. I suggest testing with and without it, it very well could be different for our decks but I think it's worth a shot.
August 20, 2015 12:05 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #11
There's no reason to run Monastery Siege alongside Dictate of Kruphix.
I may try swapping a couple Anticipates for Clash of Wills. I do like my counterspells (cutting a Dissolve was a bit painful) and Clash is not a bad card. Or maybe a Dissolve and an Anticipate, to help cut back a tiny bit on the deck's greedy spells.
August 20, 2015 1:01 p.m.
homelander03 says... #12
the goal in the deck would be to mill as quickly as possible and with dictate of kruphix rotating monastary seige would not be bad at all
August 20, 2015 1:08 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #13
You're right, which is why I'll use Monastery Siege after Dictate of Kruphix rotates for sure.
August 20, 2015 2:10 p.m.
Dragonman39 says... #14
I like the deck. +1! I am curious why you're not running any Treasure Cruise though. I'm sure you have the deck the way you like it, but it seems like an obvious card to have here. I see you also are running 3 Dig Through Time. While that is an excellent card, the fact that it doesn't actually let you 'draw' the cards, it doesn't seem to help your mill mechanic. I personally like filling that spot of my deck with Fascination. It's a surefire wincon with your Tutelage in play! Especially if you also have your Archive out! I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on my U/B mill deck:
My Life With the Mill Kill Kult Playtest
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August 24, 2015 9:54 a.m.
HipsterPumpkin says... #15
I really like Jace in the main, unless there is a lot of maindeck Searing Blood and Wild Slash in your local meta. There really isn't a ton of card advantage in this deck, so Jace would really help that.
August 26, 2015 7:58 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #16
I've explained my take on Dig vs. Cruise here. That said, during my testing I've noticed that I really need more gas. I still like Dig Through Time a little better than Treasure Cruise though, so I'll just do a 1-for-1 swap.
Fascination actually seems really nice for a huge drawspell/finisher card. I'll throw one in, drop a Dictate of Kruphix.
I don't maindeck Jace because I want a creatureless maindeck. I don't even know if I'll be able to side Jace in paper anyway because I don't think I'll be able to afford 3 copies at $30 each.
August 30, 2015 1:31 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #17
New thoughts for discussion:
Should I include Alhammarret's Archive?
Should I drop Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip for 2x Disperse and 1x Silumgar, the Drifting Death? If not, what should I include instead of Jace since I probably won't be able to afford him?
August 30, 2015 3:39 p.m.
1 disperse1 silumgarAnddd 1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
August 31, 2015 12:41 a.m.
Love seeing more Tutelage decks. My only comment is that you really need 4 Tutelage to succeed, since Tutelage is your wincon (otherwise, your deck does nothing) and there is a lot of enchantment hate right now.
Think of it this way - what's more likely, three Tutelages end up at the bottom of your deck, or four?
August 31, 2015 8:16 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #20
Why Tasigur? Don't I already have enough Delve spells, and Tas seems a bit underwhelming.
Dropping an Anticipate for a fourth Sphinx's Tutelage then.
I'll just go ahead and make the changes then.
September 2, 2015 12:57 a.m.
lordmalphas says... #21
this deck needs a better win-con than tutelage.....try throwing in ugin or Pearl Lake Ancient. tutelage needs a build-around deck to really be good......and this is not that. aside from that, this is a good control shell
September 2, 2015 11:42 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #22
If Sphinx's Tutelage isn't a good wincon, what do you think about the variants that have put up some numbers in events?
Pearl Lake Ancient is worse than Silumgar, the Drifting Death since Crux of Fate has the ability to not touch Silumgar.
Now I probably could add Ugin, the Spirit Dragon in the side, but I don't quite think I'm up to paying $25 for one copy. Maybe.
September 2, 2015 1:51 p.m.
lordmalphas says... #23
I think that tutelage does not fit your deck as a wincon. As one who runs a tutelage deck, I understand what I'm talking about. And if silumgar is your win that's fine but ancient fits your deck better than tutelage is what i'm saying.
September 2, 2015 5:09 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #24
I mean if that's your opinion, okay. I believe it's a fine win condition- but not on its own; it needs to be built around and supported. Which is where the draw spells all fall into play. It's definitely not out of the ordinary for control decks to include a good number of draw spells.
And it is supposed to be a noncreature deck. I'm kind of cheating a bit putting Silumgar in the side.
Ochvozhni says... #1
I really like your take on this. The addition of Thoughtseize and AEtherspouts is really cool. And this deck definitely shows off all of the graveyard shenanigans that are possibble when not relying on Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip. Overall I really like it. It seems really balanced and capable to deal with a lot of the standard decks running around. You have an absolutely beautiful mana curve also. I am not sold on the Dissolves, but if you are playtesting with this deck I would love to see how it goes! One thing that I'm not too sure about is the Prism Ring. Since this is a dual color deck, it wont hoard that same value as before, and whether or not they are worth it is interesting, and a question I would love to tackle. Again, I would love to see how playtesting goes, and hope for the best!
July 16, 2015 2:38 p.m.