If your running Omnath you should probably be playing mono-green not Temur. But if you are going to play Temur, try to have a more diverse land base or a better mana curve, as in more creatures with cmc of 1. What is your win-con, is it Omnath or Gaea's Revenge? If its Gaea's Revenge its a little pricy mana wise, and if it's Omnath, again, consider running mon-red.

P.S. Try working on evening out your land base and the amount of each color your running.

hey 31415269, the omnath i'm using isn't Omnath, Locus of Mana, its omnath, locus of rage. originally, i was also running Torrent Elemental and Thousand Winds, but now that i've taken them out, i might consider dropping blue altogether. we'll cuz i like Embodiment of Spring and Temur Ascendancy very much

also, is your name a reference to pi? if so, its a bit off. 3.14159262 believe is the correct order as far as i can remember

3.14159265358979 is as far as i know, cool deck btw

a lot farther than i can remember... and thanks!

If you pivot your deck's focus to Gruul colors, you could compensate with Zendikar's Roil, a few of the Awaken cards they'll offer, that Converge burn spell can be a board wipe for them, and if you've gotten a few elementals from Roil, it can close out the game when all those 2/2 Elementals you control dying. Likewise, you could flip Surrak from Dragonclaw to Hunt-Caller. Really, the best blue card you've got in there is the Ascendancy, because the card draw and haste are both awesome effects.

Just reading up a the pi comment3.14159265358979323846264338575, hoping I remembered that correctly as well as typed it.

Frost Walker is another blue elemental that helps build threat on board and triggers the ascendancy. People don't really want to waste the kill spell on it and if it get's 1 hit in that's already 1/5 of their life. I like the deck so far as well. Other options for mana ramping are Nissa's Pilgrimage and Animist's Awakening.

thanks for your comments!

TheNinjaJesus- i actually really like that idea. For now, i'm going to leave it as is until something justifies the removal of Temur Ascendancy

kameenook- thats pretty impressive. props to you

Chaos111545- true. i skipped over that elemental on gatherer but i think it would do well in the deck. i'm not really sure what i'd add though. thoughts? Nissa's Pilgrimage and Animist's Awakening feel underwhelming. i wouldn't be able to cast Nissa's Pilgrimage until turn 3 since 1 mana dorks are rotating and by then i can cast Explosive Vegetation. Animist's Awakening has more potential but its probably unnecessary by that time. more of a win-more card it seems

Copies and pastes first 200 digits of pi

Totally from memory.

Cool deck.

The Great Aurora seems like it could be interesting. Especially if you replaced blue with white for enchantment based removal like Suspension Field and targeted Omnath, so that he enters the field after you shuffle all your permanents back into your library but before the massive number of landfall triggers from Aurora lol. Leaving your opponent with no board state and you with an Omnath and give or take eight 5/5s which are effectively removal proof since that would be a lethal amount of damage.

If that actually works, It'll be hilarious. I know that it legally works, but pulling it off would probably just result in instant-speed forfeit from your opponent.

+1

AngelOfDivinity- sounds fun lol. not sure thats the direction i want to take this deck but it seems like Wabbbit would have fun with it in his aurora deck

:O I may have to do that.

tempest I was wondering when the standard elemental tribal was gonna show up :P.

3.14......that's all I got. Normal intelligence level over here.

We were discussing interactions like that at my LGS (we built an FNM-winning Aurora deck, so we spent a solid hour figuring out a wincon). I thought part of the problem was the permanent leaves as part of the spell resolving, and since the lands entering is part of the spell resolving, Omnath doesn't hit until the spell is all the way done, which includes the lands, the Suspension Field leaving, etc. I mean, I could totally be wrong about that, but I was told something of this ilk.

Reasonable to think that, but it has to do with how it's worded. It's because one part of the spell triggers another effect prior to the original spell being able to fully resolve, because of the keyword "Then." Judges call it "Delayed trigger" because it always happens in a certain order and other things can intervene between the triggers of the spell's parts.

So, if it didn't say "... Then draw that many cards..." Omnath would return after the full spell resolution.

Fortunately, it does say "Then."

Wabbbit, TheNinjaJesus, AngelOfDivinity- seems like it does work after a quick google search. Multiple sources but none absolutely reliable

Confirming with MTGJudge Chat just now, you cannot receive landfall bonuses from The Great Aurora without extrenuous preparation. The only real way to receive landfall triggers would be if your opponent has one of your landfall cards beneath a Banishing Light, because Banishing Light doesn't use any triggered ability, it will return the permanent as soon as possible, which is after shuffling and drawing, but before lands.

Honestly, It's just easier to Villainous Wealth them for 37 after 2 Auroras.

lol glad we got that cleared. Can't wait to see the rest of BfZ and more good elementals

Have you considered Khalni Heart Expedition or Nissa's Renewal to get more lands out??

Also, I can't really justify keeping Evolutionary Leap in the deck. The only elementals you would want to sac can do it themselves. I like really Crater Elemental for this reason too.

Personally, I think the deck will play better if you focus on buying your time until you have a lot of lands, as opposed to ramping with mana dorks. The unknown 'landfall' cards in Battle for Zendikar may support this claim.

sugardaddy- thanks for your input and I'll respond in sections according to your post

Khalni Heart Expedition isn't standard legal unless it's reprinted in BfZ and look at post #8.

Evolutionary Leap- it's useful for sac'ing Embodiment of Spring when I get mana flooded and the mana dorks late game. Crater Elemental seems decent but what would you replace? Could be a sideboard card?

I don't quite like that idea since I don't think this deck would fair well against a completely stabilized control deck nor survive an aggro onslaught

I'm a control player. I've been testing a lot. It doesn't.

For that very reason, some kind of SB against control would probably help a ton. Either Gaea's Revenge or Molten Vortex seem strong.

AngelOfDivinity- how much do you find extra lands in your hand to warrant Molten Vortex?

oh and, how effective is Surrak Dragonclaw?

He seems good, but I find he usually meets a kill spell pretty quickly.

And yeah, Gaea's Revenge is probably the better of the two. But in late game Molten Vortex can be solid against a control deck with neither Utter End nor Sultai Charm.

I'm having difficulty justifying Molten Vortex since a lot of the deck revolves around getting lands on the field. only Nissa, Vastwood Seer  ^Flip puts lands into my hand. everything else is onto the battlefield

Also, thoughts on the cards in the maybeboard?

Zendikar's Roil! That card is a great addition against control, probably even better than Gaea's Revenge. Revenge can be Foul-Tongue Invocationed, not the Roil.

And Crater elemental seems strong, I guess.

Not so fond of Radiant Flames in a deck with mana dorks. I might be a bad person to ask. I run board wipes, but then again, I also run control wincons AKA creatures that survive board wipes.