AngelOfDivinity says... #2
Also, I'm going to take this opportunity to express how much I wish Ojutai, Soul of Winter had any evasion at all tacked on, because she really is good just essentially control finishers need some variety of evasion to be usable. Like, she's one word/one text line from being totally meta control finisher. It's the 1 line that makes her total bulk.
January 12, 2016 9:11 p.m.
Scobyawezome says... #3
Would sphinx of the final word be a better finisher post OGW? Even Llinvala seems really strong to at least try.
January 14, 2016 6:14 p.m.
AngelOfDivinity says... #4
I don't like Linvala.
Sphinx of the Final Word, it may come in when Pearl Lake Ancient leaves, but I feel like the word flash & the bounce thing makes it better than everything the sphinx has tagged onto it.
January 14, 2016 7:17 p.m.
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How hard do control decks get hosed by Duress and Transgress the Mind? Every time I want to think of playing non-black control, I think of Duress and shudder, saying "naw, I'll get wrecked." I know this assumption is a total hyperbole, but how much does Duress actually affect control?
January 19, 2016 5 p.m.
AngelOfDivinity says... #6
It's pretty bad. But it is recover-from-able, the best thing is to counter it if you can, especially since there's a good chance they'll take the counter anyway. A favorite trick of mine is to cast Dig Through Time and grab a couple of creatures/lands. It's also worth remembering that almost nobody main boards Duress, so that means it's competing for SB space.
So it's pretty bad, but I wouldn't say "Hosed." It's good sideboard quality, but it's totally possible to win through one. Remembering what they've seen in your hand helps too.
Once pissed someone off (Not really, actually, they laughed really hard and were just a little peeved) by every time he cast a Transgress or Duress responding with a dig and only taking non legal targets (This was a long, grindy match and we were both basically top decking). And happened that he cast those when I had 1 card in hand & it was a dig 3 times over the course of 2 games.
January 19, 2016 5:20 p.m.
Huh. Thanks for the feedback :D really appreciate it. Nice deck, by the way ;D
January 19, 2016 5:48 p.m.
AngelOfDivinity says... #8
Thanks! And no problem, I hope it was helpful!
January 19, 2016 7:42 p.m.
Metamorphic1992 says... #10
At least Gideon is like $21 now. Ojutai is $16 but u run it which makes me curious. Does this budget deck have a limit or is it just what u had/ can afford?
January 26, 2016 1:27 p.m.
AngelOfDivinity says... #11
It's just stuff I have or can easily trade for buy. Like I pulled both my Ojutais (Both from Korean packs, which is pretty cool!).
January 26, 2016 9:22 p.m.
Can you make a fantasy version of this deck where you disregard price?
January 27, 2016 12:45 p.m.
AngelOfDivinity says... #13
It would probably be basically the same only with Gideons and fetches lol. And maybe a fancier sideboard. Probably I'd toss Pearl Lake Ancient & relegate Narset Transcendent to 2-of sideboard against control (to come in over Ojutai) & put in 4 maindeck Gideons. And land wise I'd go -4 Tranquil Cove -4 Island and -4 Plains for 4x Windswept Heath, Flooded Strand, and Polluted Delta.
Honestly though, I don't like Gideon as much as everyone says. Stasis Snare deals with him quite handily. But every one says he's great so I'd at least try & see how that works.
January 27, 2016 6:06 p.m.
I tried to make a more expensive version of this deck, but it isn't that much more expensive. It is a throwback to when you still had black, so I hope you don't mind that I copied it. I gave you credit in the description. Let me know if you see anything you would change.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/conquerors-control/
January 27, 2016 6:53 p.m.
What do you think of the OGW expeditions, such as Mystic Gate?
January 28, 2016 5:09 a.m.
I find the version of this deck with black in it (and probably this one as well) struggles against Atarka Red with prowess even if I side in Rising Miasma (Silkwrap for this deck), Wall of Resurgence, and Mastery of the Unseen. How do you survive the prowess decks?
January 29, 2016 2 a.m.
buildingadeck says... #18
I don't like the sideboard. It seems incredibly simple, which is sometimes good, but this format is incredibly diverse. The most recent large event had no repeated archetype in the top 10 decks. I would recommend some number of Dispel, Surge of Righteousness/Arashin Clerics and maybe an Ojutai's Command? I think you just need more versatility for this format, but that's just me.
January 29, 2016 6:08 a.m.
I agree about the sideboard. That's why I changed the Esper Version of this deck's sideboard to be more versatile. One piece of advice I'd have for this deck is -1 Horribly Awry and -1 Quarantine Field for 2 Valorous Stance or possibly two Anticipate. Anticipate for card advantage and Valorous Stance is in response to everyone killing my Ojutai, while I sit there and watch because I only have a Clash of Wills (and they have sufficient mana) and a Horribly Awry. For the sideboard, I'd take out a Mastery of the Unseen and an Overwhelming Denial and add Dispel and/or Negate. I'd take out a Wall of Resurgence or two and a Silkwrap (or two) and add two Valorous Stance (for the aforementioned reasons), one or two Ojutai's Command, or two Surge of Righteousness (I really like this card). If you don't like Valorous Stance for the mainboard instead of a Horribly Awry, I'd consider Disdainful Stroke. I've used this deck (the esper version) for a while and generally I lose. This could be due to me not knowing how to play the deck or sideboard, but I'm playing against 30+ people every FNM. I just feel like there is some room for improvement, but feel free to completely disregard my thoughts if you don't feel like acknowledging them.
February 13, 2016 6:34 p.m.
NotSquishedYet says... #20
I like the unique two-color control, but I've got doubts about its ability to beat hyper-aggro and more unique decks. Would you mind/be able to test this against two decks I helped with, listed on a friend's profile? The Mardu one would be a good test of sheer power and speed - it can beat both Tron and Grixis Control (loaded with Snapcasters) in Modern with zero changes from the standard legal version. The Abzan Ally deck should be a good test of versatility, as it has more wincons than I can count. For one, it has extraordinarily powerful removal. On top of that, every boardwipe in your deck becomes lethal damage to you, and it has six or seven ways to win by you attacking, blocking, not blocking, killing the creatures, not killing the creatures, or even letting it sacrifice them, all no later than turn 5. If you're not interested or don't have the means, just forget all this. If you are, I'll go ahead and link them here.
February 13, 2016 9:26 p.m.
I'd like to playtest against them if you can link them.
February 13, 2016 10:05 p.m.
NotSquishedYet says... #22
Sure thing - I'm thankful you are willing to. Here you go: Mardu Swarn Enchantments, (don't ask, just look) and The Canadian Inquisition, A.K.A Eldrazi Bloodlust . Do you need any information on how to play them best, for optimal testing? If so, I'll get it to you as quickly as possible.
February 13, 2016 10:39 p.m.
Please disregard my previous advice, I'm sure it is terrible. I wanted to show you though that I remade the Esper Dragons version of this deck and I was wondering if you could offer some advice. Should I replace Languish and/or Utter End with Planar Outburst/Ruinous Path to maximize my awakening potential?
February 18, 2016 8:17 a.m.
RovkirHexus says... #24
What do you think you'll add when KTK and FRF rotate?
February 18, 2016 8:26 a.m.
Do you think Pour over the Pages is going to be a serviceable replacement for Dig?
http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/pouroverthepages.html
AngelOfDivinity says... #1
Better? I made it black and it was almost impossible to read, made it white and it made the picture hard to see, I like this balance myself. But I can change it however.
January 12, 2016 5:01 p.m.