I remember you used to be Sultai, I was one of the people who talked you out of playing it.

That's why it's so funny that I recommend you go back to it.

Lol, I thought you were. I was kinda confused. But all the same, I still feel like the assets gained by running green aren't worth diluting the mana base. Like yeah, Nissa, Kiora, Sagu Mauler, and Villainous Wealth all win games, but so does Silumgar, the Drifting Death. See what I mean? Same with White.

I have been been toying with the idea of putting in Dragonlord Kolaghan as a 1-of. I just really don't like that he doesn't have hexproof, but his second ability I think would make him hilarious against any creature base deck, and the fact that he is Fervor is also great. Plus that's one more card to trigger Silumgar's Scorn and Foul-Tongue Invocation. But I think I should relegate both him and the Ojutai I currently have Main Board until I can get a fourth haven.

Things I'm really loving:

EVERYTHING WITH AWAKEN.

Even considering running 1-of Part the Waterveil as a wincon.

Scatter to the Winds is the new Dissolve, and Ruinous Path is the new Hero's Downfall. Yes, at normal cost they are both strictly inferior to those former iterations, but the late game asset of a creature is huge. And Rising Miasma I am finding to be an inferior replacement for Drown in Sorrow, but a replacement none the less.

In all three of these comparisons, the new card is definitely worse than its former iteration, but I am loving the addition of a creature at the cost of its former speed/ scry 1.

I stepped into white, found it uninteresting, and stepped out. Think of U/B as the closet. And I've determined to stay in the closet.

Personaly i think you should do esper. I understand you want to stay U/B but hear me out. Now who ever it was that said Shambling Vent should be out because "it doesn't block well" is right in part because you shouldn't use it to block, you use it after you clear the board and stabilize with it, and it fixes mana. You said you didn't want to commit WW for Stasis Snare but honestly mana fixing is so good right now for esper. you have Prairie Stream that can be fetched with Flooded Strand and Polluted Delta Plus the man lands. and big whoop if it doesn't hit planes walkers it's instant speed and lets be real here nearly every deck has targets that it can hit, and if not side it out. So i understand if you don't have the cards why you wouldn't be esper but if you have them or the money but if you do i think it would be an upgrade from straight U/B . You also get Quarantine Field that could just be a one of and be a huge blow out late game

Also Ob Nixilis Reignited is a must for this deck as his abilities are all very good. And Ugin's Insight seems better than Dragonlord's Prerogative a bit cheaper and can go way deeper.

I completely agree really. But all those things are really pricey, I'll try to trade for things for Esper and if I pull them that would be great. Except for Ugin's Insight, I just really, really like the Instant speed of Dragonlord's Prerogative. And I love Shambling Vent, it was always nice to me when I was playtesting this as Esper. At current price estimates, a playset of Prairie Stream and Sunken Hollow would be $80, plus with fetches... yeah, not doable currently.

But thanks a bunch for your input, if I can trade for those things I totally will.

i completely understand cost is the reason why i dont 'make'more than half the decks i make up

So I've been doing a bit of testing with a similar decklist, and I've got some suggestions for cards you might want to consider running (reasons for why below).

• Murderous Cut
• Crux of Fate
• 2 more Silumgar's Scorn for 2 Scatter to the Winds
• Anticipate
• 1 more Dig Through Time
• Mage-Ring Network

So first off is Murderous Cut. This and Dig Through Time worked under the same idea in my deck, both of these feed off your packed graveyard in the late game, and let you pull off crazy shit in the early game.

Second is Crux of Fate. This card beats out Rising Miasma by a landslide. At 4 mana, Languish is doing a good enough job keeping the board clear, while Crux of Fate keeps your Icefall Regents flying happy and free.

The Silumgar's Scorn goes up to 4 because of my Anticipate recommendation (which will be explained below), and because most of the time, it's a Counterspell. Which is good.

So Anticipate. I know you have a personal vendetta against this card, but hear me out. This card, on turn two onwards, can save you from; mana screw, mana flood, not having a dragon, not having enough mana for Delve cards, not having a boardwipe, and not having a removal/counter spell. If that's not enough, it filters through the top of your library, so that you can find your win-cons, or relevant spells quicker.

The Dig Through Time is a personal preference. It would go over 1 Dragonlord's Prerogative simply because I like choosing the cards I draw, rather than have them being random crap I might not want.

Mage-Ring Network is huge as a 1-of. This card generates a crazy amount of mana if you let it sit for a few turns. It can ramp out your draw spells and your dragons, and all you have to do is feed it over time.

I feel like in the new-meta creatures are going to become more of a liability. Being in silumgar colors you don't have to worry about enchantments being wiped away by Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and I mean Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  ^Flip has proven it's worth as well. What I'm really trying to get down to is, with all the creature removal floating around in most decks by not running any you can kill a ton of their deck, just a thought anyway I like the list +1

Then I'll respond respectively:

Murderous cut: I think I'd rather not, just because of Dig Through Time. Although I will take your advice on Dig through time and add another of those.

Rising Miasma is a meta thing, but who knows how my meta will change with rotation? I think I'll take your advice at least for now since I own a playset of crux.

Silumgar's Scorn: I think that because I only have 5/60 (8%) actual dragons that I should keep this at a 2-of. If I get a fourth Haven then I might run Dragonlord Ojutai and/or Dragonlord Kolaghan, in which case I would bump it to a playset. Would you recommend dropping Tasigur for one of those? I own 2 Tasigurs.

Anticipate: Yeah, but I kept coming to the same conclusion when I ran it. That it is a good and useful card, but I would just rather have a counter.

Dig Through Time: ok, it's a three-of now.

Mage-Ring Network: ok, I'll drop a basic for it.

But really, should I drop Tasigur for a dragon? Or should I drop a dragon for Tasigur? Here's what changes in favor of Dragons would look like:

-1 Tasigur

-1 horribly awry

-2 scatter to the winds

-1 ruinous path

+1 Dragonlord Ojutai

+1 Dragonlord Kolaghan

+2 Silumgar's scorn

+1 foul-tongue invocation

Or I could go less draconian:

-1 Icefall regent

-2 Silumgar's scorn

+1 tasigur

+2 Something?

And all of that's ignoring some changes I'll probably make either way. What do you think?

@archon123_

That is what I love about hexproof! Silumgar, the Drifting Death is a definite for that. My troubles with Eugene is his CMC- not that I can't cast him, but just that my meta is so aggro I actually dropped him because he was just to slow. As for Jace, he is way to expensive. But that sounds like another reason to drop Tasigur, the Golden Fang, because like Icefall Regent for example mean they usually only get one chance to kill it per turn and they will have to do that in lieu of anything else, which is nice. Especially with counters on hand.

So a response to your comment.

1. Murderous cut, for me is another way to deal with dudes, and filter my graveyard for Tasigur.

2. I'll reiterate my poiint here, in that Crux of Fate keeps your Dragons alive, and still kills everything else, while Rising Miasma is just a worse Languish.

3. I'll cover Anticipate here, since this ties into your Silumgar's Scorn problem. The reason you run anticipate is to grab dragons for Dragon spells. I'm running 4 Scorn and 4 Dragons, with 3 Anticipate, and so far haven't had a problem getting a dragon to reveal. If you're going to stick to 2 scorn, then ignore the Anticipate suggestion.

4. Cool, Dig Through Time is a cool filter card for Tasigur as well.

5. Mage-Ring Network you may not like initially. Give it some time, and some practice, and the card'll do nothing but good for you. It feeds into Clash of Wills, Dragonlord's Prerogative, and your Dragons, and any other spells you happen to wqant to pay colorless mana for.

6. Leave Tasigur in, he's just Golden (oh god I'm so sorry).

Otherwise, the changes look cool.

Cool! I just think since you have a lot of removal its kinna pointless to have 3 icefall regent. Why? Cuz u run 4 languish to clean the board, cool but then what? If u play icefall you will miss the ability cuz u just clean the board and if you have icefall on the board you will end up killing your own dragon. U dont use dragonlord silumgar , 1 is cool just in case you want to control opponent plainswalker or another cool creature. The golden fang is cool as a blocker and delve cast. I would try to use jace from Origins and see how interacts . You got plenty chance to ultimate him since you run a lot of removal. Or ob nixiles to use the -3 ability or ultimate him. Good luck and control all the way!!

2 things caught my attention there:

1), somehow I hadn't thought of using instant-speed delve like that for tasigur, I might use that as a 2-of.

1.5) Rising Miasma is a real prick against aggro, just like Drown in Sorrow was. Drown was better of course, but Rising Miasma does leave all dragons alive. If my meta stays almost exclusively RDW I'll go with rising miasma, if it slows down I'll stick with Crux of Fate

2) Seriously? 4 dragons and you don't have trouble with finding them? That actually does justify Anticipate, I'll see about that. I think I will also up my dragon count.

Splashing the full 4 Dragonlord Ojutai still doesn't seem insane to me, and if you ever play against Forest, you may want to have access to Dragonlord Silumgar in your 75, that card is a beating (I'm usually on the side playing forest and having my big dumb idiots stolen)

OK, I took much of the advice that y'all have given me over the past couple days:

So, at first I added Anticipate for Dragons, but I changed that back and I'll explain why below:

I decided that since I'm going to get a fourth Haven anyway and many of the cards in this deck haven't even been printed yet, it made no sense not to be playtesting as though I had 4. So I added in a fourth, then I added an Ojutai (Not a Kolaghan, more on why later). Then I figured I could drop my anticipates for another Icefall which makes RDW cry since I had enough dragons to reliably have one anyway, which I did.

Next, I dropped some of my beloved Awaken because of what archon123_ said about removal. It's a thing, it's annoying, and with awaken it kills lands. Which sucks. Same reason why I'm not running Dragonlord Kolaghan, though I totally think I'll SB him/her.

Also, I dropped my last Prerogative for a fourth Dig Through Time because I love consistency, and really, I should always be able to play Dig before turn 6 anyways.

you might want to consider throwing in Dragonlord Silumgar as a 1-of if midrange becomes more prevalent in your meta

I totally will if it does, at the moment my contentions with him are mainly that I do not own him. Even against aggro he's solid. I don't like the not-having-hexproof thing, but oh well.

Against RDW, the only thing killing a Dragonlord Silumgar is a Firebreather, or a Crater's Claws. Otherwise, Roast can't target, and none of their creatures are big enough to stop him, plus, he steals their creatures for you to use against them.

Yeah. I'll trade for him if I can. He is really good. Mind control + a 3/5 flying deathtouch.

against the mirror though if he resolves with counter backup its a beating all day long

I distinctly remember -.-

Yeah, actually this is the first I'm really appreciating his power. I'll totally trade for one when I can.