The Good Church

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Also what about Elspeth, Knight-Errant or Gideon, Champion of Justice in the Planeswalker department?

I know their CMC is four but they both have relatively good synergy with token decks.

March 6, 2015 3:51 p.m.

kamarupa says... #2

Oh yea, Avacyn's Pilgrim is great. Elspeth, Knight-Errant doesn't give you Human tokens. That seems like a waste. There are better cards than that for the CMC. Gideon, Champion of Justice is a better fit. That said, in my experience, I rarely get a reliable play out of a planeswalker. They're really cool and some people play them really well, but I don't and I think they are a gamble. I don't usually include them in my decks.

I would cut the Angels all together. I don't see the synergy. I would include 4 Sundering Growths. If you need it, you need it. If you don't, it's sideboard.

March 7, 2015 2:46 a.m.

I was thinking Elspeth, Knight-Errant for her -8 ability, an army of indestructible tokens is basically a win state. Also her soldiers I could just use as chump blockers if I don't want to waste a relatively powerful human token on a big attacking creature. Maybe even get some cheeky hits in with her secondary.

Gideon, Champion of Justice I was thinking more for a diversion, I mean he's a good card had to get a big human on the battlefield but in most cases I would hope that he might take the pressure off me while my opponents focus on attacking him, fearing I may activate his -15.

I'm new to this and I inherited a big collection of cards along with a bunch of Planeswalkers. I just kind of want to find a place for them, sorry if I'm coming off as stubborn :P

I see what you're saying, the angels were originally there to combat flying creatures (as well for thematic purposes) but I never really get to play them consistently. I think I'll just save them for The Great Church, the commander deck I plan on building.

I'll throw in four Avacyn's Pilgrims, three Explores, two Sundering Growths, and four Bonds of Faiths.

I'll have to order more cards as that's all I have in my collection. Need two more Sundering Growths and one more Explore.

Path to Exile is a little pricey... might take a while for me to get it.

March 7, 2015 9:01 a.m.

Are there any other cards that would give me human tokens?

March 7, 2015 9:53 a.m.

kamarupa says... #5

If you've got a bunch of Planeswalkers, I'd look at successful decks that use each and also think about how you might best employ their abilities and build around that.

Path to Exile is pricey. I play it all the time on untap.in for free though... Cheaper options with higher CMC's would be: Oblivion Ring or Journey to Nowhere.

Intruder Alarm will give you infinite tokens, but you'd have to splash blue, and that would require a much more expensive or difficult mana base.

Swiftfoot Boots and Lightning Greaves are better than Mask of Avacyn but I don't really think you need it. If Hexproof is what you're after, if I'm running Green, I use Alpha Authority.

If you include lifegain - say Soul's Attendant and you flood the battlefield, I don't think you'll worry about Flying.

March 7, 2015 11:28 p.m.

I find it really hard to make cuts, but I'm trying!

What would you say a good number of creatures would be for this deck? Right now it's at 23 with some Frontline Medics and 19 if I remove them (not sure if they'll stay around).

I'm getting my Lightning Greaves back from a friend, I have some Soul Wardens on the way and I have some Journey to Nowheres locked in my Sideboard. I think this is coming together!

Thanks for your help thus far, it's been of great use!

March 8, 2015 2:04 p.m.

I also have some Intangible Virtues, do you think I should go two Honor of the Pures and two Intangible Virtues or replace one with the other?

March 8, 2015 2:07 p.m.

Since you've got some mana ramp with Avacyn's Pilgrim and Explore, why not add a couple Angelic Overseer?

March 8, 2015 3:46 p.m.

I'm actually really considering some right now WonderingSage.

I'll need to order some off TCG first. I actually don't own any.

March 8, 2015 4:17 p.m.

kamarupa says... #10

It's definitely looking better.

Honor of the Pure works on your tokens, Intangible Virtue only words on tokens. If you had less main creatures and tokens coming from more than one creature, then it would be different. I'd say 4xHonor of the Pure is the best route. Since the deck has a lot of creatures, I don't really think you're going to need vigilance.

If you get 4xSoul Warden, I don't think you'll need Congregate, which opens up some space.

I'd add no more than 2 Angelic Overseer, probably only one. Getting two in an opening hand is debiliating. Drawing a second on the first 1-3 draws is equally bad. I'd rather not risk that.

As far as creature numbers go, I'd say: As many as you possibly can. I realize that's rather vague, so I'd add this: I would mainboard Journey to Nowhere and Bonds of Faith - that's 8 cards. 22 Lands + 4xAvacyn's Pilgrim is enough mana - now we're at 34 cards. Adding in 4x Honor of the Pure brings us to 38 cards. I'd say you need every single one of those cards, save maybe Avacyn's Pilgrim, and only then if you cut all but 1 4+CMC cards. That's your base and leaves room for 22 creatures. I think that's enough creatures, that it's creature heavy and gives you better than a 1 in 3 chance of drawing one. In all likelihood, you should get 3 creatures on the board within 3 turns consistently.

Since you want to flood the board, incorporating some sort of draw card might help, especially if Avacyn's Pilgrim give you a ramp. Mass Appeal is my personal choice, but you'd have to splash blue. For white Mentor of the Meek is a popular human, but I don't particularly like its CMC. I might consider Weathered Wayfarer, but that only helps if you're low on land. Of course, you could cut 4 lands and gamble with your mana base a little - IF you get Forest, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Weathered Wayfarer in your opening hand, you've got a pretty good set up, removing lands from your deck, making creatures draw potential much higher.

Other Draw Card option: I've also run decks with Harmonize, which is a good late game draw card option, but not much help early. A quick search found Life's Legacy, which, with enough pump, could be good. If not those, I'm sure you could find something suitable in this search: http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/product/show?OracleText=draw+a+card&RequiredFormat=3&Color=White%2cGreen&ConvertedCost_To=3

March 9, 2015 12:06 a.m.

Thanks a lot for all the help, I just played a quick game with my friends a few minutes ago, I was definitely able to flood the board much quicker. With a few more additions I think it will make for a solid deck.

I like Mass Appeal, I actually own a few. If I was going to splash some blue in would it be best to use check lands like Glacial Fortress and Hinterland Harbor or something like Azorius Signet?

I'm going to try out one or two Angelic Overseers. I think they might find a place in this deck. I might add one and load the other to the sideboard. I'll have to test it.

I'm also going to get another Mikaeus, the Lunarch. It's a good card for this deck but with only one in it I really don't draw it as often as I would like.

Do you think I'm good with the token spawning with Gather the Townsfolk and Thraben Doomsayer? Increasing Devotion gets five humans pumped out but the CMC is a bit high.

March 9, 2015 9:27 a.m.

Would Reliquary Tower be a good card to use with Mass Appeal? So I don't have to discard a ton of cards.

March 9, 2015 3:07 p.m.

I wouldn't splash blue for one card. Why not use Mentor of the Meek? He costs the same, he's a human body, and he provides continuous card draw. And that way you don't have to complicate your mana base further.

March 9, 2015 3:47 p.m.

His CMC is a tad high though... I guess it would be easier than trying to get an all new mana base to work.

What would I replace for him though? I find all of my creatures to be pretty important in keeping my tokens swinging for high numbers.

March 9, 2015 3:51 p.m.

Upon thinking of it Mentor of the Meek would probably be the better option because Mass Appeal isn't continuous, just when I play it. I'd rather have a continuous source of card draw.

March 9, 2015 3:59 p.m.
March 9, 2015 4:39 p.m.

I'll test that. I don't think that will harm my interaction with my opponent.

March 9, 2015 5:01 p.m.

Nah that'll still leave you with enough removal. Btw, in my own personal opinion, if I were you I would either add a few bigger creatures, like Angelic Overseer for explample, or take out your mana ramp cards.

March 9, 2015 5:09 p.m.

Also, Obelisk of Urd could work here. You can pay for it cheaper than Honor of the Pure if you have enough creatures on the field, it buffs ALL your creatures, not just your white ones, AND it gives them an extra +1+1 buff. Just some food for thought :)

March 9, 2015 5:13 p.m.

Oh yeah that's right! I didn't realize it had convoke, that will actually work tons better than Honor of the Pure, thanks!

March 9, 2015 5:59 p.m.

I'm planning on adding Angelic Overseer, I'm not sure about anything else right now... well another Mikaeus, the Lunarch, but his power and toughness is dependent on the mana I use to cast gim.

March 9, 2015 7:16 p.m.

kamarupa says... #22

I think more Mikaeus, the Lunarch is a good idea.

Mentor of the Meek is only good if you've got the mana to pay for the extra cards, and that mana is also likely the mana you would want to have reserved for instant removal, well, if you had any. It's probably just me, but I really don't like cards with extra costs once they're on the battlefield. I don't like what it usually does to the way I play mana.

I agree, I would not splash blue for only Mass Appeal. I might do it if I was also going to Intruder Alarm

Yes, if I were to splash blue, I would use Glacial Fortress. Seaside Citadel would be another great option.

No, I don't think Reliquary Tower would be needed with Mass Appeal. If you've got 1 card in your hand and 7 creatures out, it's just going to give you card advantage.

Yes, I would cut Increasing Devotion.

March 10, 2015 10:58 a.m.

I see what you're saying, I think I'm just going to keep Mentor of the Meek for now though... unless I can find a better White / Green draw card.

I'm really tempted to splash blue in for Mass Appeal and Intruder Alarm... but for now I think I'm going to stay White / Green. I'm might make some additions later because those cards have great synergy with this deck.

I've cut Increasing Devotion and moved some cards around, what you see right now is how I have my deck structured currently. I think it's pretty solid... I might move some Soul Wardens around to get more on the mainboard though.

March 10, 2015 3:10 p.m.

Decks looking a lot better! Not sure I agree with cutting Increasing Devotion but other than that the decks come a long way.

March 10, 2015 4:54 p.m.

I agree! This deck is looks tons better! :D

I'm going to do a few tests without Increasing Devotion, it's nice because I can get a bunch of bodies on the board at once plus being able to pump up Champion of the Parish, but it has kind of high CMC requirements.

I cut it for Angelic Overseer and Mikaeus, the Lunarch.

March 10, 2015 5:20 p.m.

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