GlistenerAgent says... #2
Only Fulminator Mage, Slaughter Games and Duress are playable as far as your maybeboard goes. Fracturing Gust is somewhat hard to cast and not worth the extra mana. 2 damage from Revelry is irrelevant and Golgari Charm is more versatile.
I think you want 7 discard spells in the 75. This probably means the seventh in the board, Thoughtseize or Duress. My cut would be Rakdos Charm since it's the worst card in your sideboard (except maybe Surgical Extraction).
I prefer Fulminator Mage to Molten Rain. 2 damage is irrelevant, Fulminator is easier to cast, and it's better with Kommand.
March 16, 2016 2:15 p.m.
Fulminator Mage is definitely auto include after I finish my playsets of Dark Confidant and Blackcleave Cliffs.
I agree Rakdos Charm is bad, but it covers the affinity matchup and is relevant as graveyard hate against those decks. If I cut it, I lose an affinity hate, is 1 Shatterstorm + 1 Ancient Grudge sufficient?
My thoughts on Destructive Revelry vs Golgari Charm is, I wonder how often the other modes on charm would be relevant, and revelry is easier to cast under Blood Moon, so wasn't sure if it was better or not.
March 16, 2016 2:20 p.m.
GlistenerAgent Rakdos Charm is also relevant vs graveyard decks, so if I cut that for that extra discard, it hurts the affinity matchups + stuff like living end. I've considered this as well, just not sure about hurting those matchups.
March 16, 2016 2:26 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #5
Affinity is a pretty good matchup, you don't need the additional artifact hate. If you want more grave hate, play a second Nihil Spellbomb because that's much, much better.
Destructive Revelry is slightly better against Blood Moon, and that's it. You should be aware of who is playing Blood Moon and try to fetch around it, shouldn't be a huge problem. Get Forest and Swamp and you can Decay or Charm it. Charm also does a better job against Affinity and control decks.
March 16, 2016 2:31 p.m.
That's kinda what I was thinking, I could see how Destructive Revelry could be good, but a versatile card like Golgari Charm is likely better.
So if I cut the Rakdos Charm for a Thoughtseize/Duress/Slaughter Games, what would I cut for the second spellbomb?
GlistenerAgent Thanks for the feedback, by the way.
March 16, 2016 2:34 p.m.
Sceadugenga says... #7
I'd cut the Shatterstorm. As GlistenerAgent pointed out, Jund really doensn't need much in the way of Affinity hate. Bolts, discard, removal, and goyfs will get you there without much worry.
I also agree that Destructive Revelry isn't as useful as Golgari Charm unless you know you're in a meta heavy on Blue Moon/Chalice of the Void Eldrazi and light on tokens and/or x/1s
March 16, 2016 3:04 p.m.
Sceadugenga Cut the Shatterstorm for the second Nihil Spellbomb?
I guess I have about 5 other cards in the side that are good at killing small creatures if I really needed them against affinity.
March 16, 2016 3:10 p.m.
Sceadugenga says... #9
Yep! Sorry for the lack of clarity there. But yes, Jund is dedicated to hand hate and creature/permanent removal. You shouldn't have much trouble against anything but a slow draw on your part and a fast draw on Affinity. Grim Lavamancer is fantastic against that deck, they usually can't beat it.
March 16, 2016 3:12 p.m.
Sceadugenga Sounds good, I may test this. Just odd, because alot of other Jund players like 2-3 affinity hate, but I guess Kolaghan's Command, doing Shock+Shatter can be really nasty against affinity as well.
March 16, 2016 3:15 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #11
Keep Shatterstorm. Having access to it is really nice since we are trying to skimp a bit on Affinity hate. I'd cut the Extraction for the second Spellbomb if you want it, as all your other SB cards are solid.
March 16, 2016 3:17 p.m.
Sceadugenga says... #12
Just differing opinions I guess :D. I prefer Grim Lavamancer as my Affinity hate because its more useful in other matchups than Shatterstorm and doesn't require me to surive 4 turns against the hyperfast aggro deck in order to be useful. I usually run 2 SB.
March 16, 2016 3:19 p.m.
GlistenerAgentSceadugenga I'll test with and without Shatterstorm and see how things go, thanks for the input.
March 16, 2016 3:24 p.m.
I like your deck, but... Bob + Tasigur ? Too risky IMO, but the shapeshifter is interesting =)
April 13, 2016 9:25 a.m.
Pingu- I could see where your concerns are coming from, but Jund plilots have been doing this for a long time. The odds of flipping a single card off Dark Confidant is so minimal and in fact I don't think I've ever done it before.
Tasigur, the Golden Fang is basically just Tarmogoyf #5 in jund because he can be cast so cheaply and doubles as card advantage in slower matchups.
The Skinshifter is cool. Tarmogoyf would be better but this is serviceable for now. I do like how he has trample, though.
April 13, 2016 9:41 a.m.
Hi there again, it's been awhile since I've saw your list. Seems like it has made progress now, good job and good luck in getting the big bosses!
Ok for people that still are considering for a decent budget option for goyf and Bob, here are my picks for em.
Goyf : Sylvan Advocate
A 2/3 body with vigilance already passed the vanilla test with flying colors. But one which will permanently be a 4/5 in the late game with that buffs your army of manlands is a better than decent replacement for goyf! It will never be a bad topdeck in the late game. Besides, ur pre-6land turns will be more focused on disruption etc anyways.
Bob : Asylum Visitor
Pair this with an army of discard spells like Thoughtseize, IoK and blightning and you'll be getting CA on your opponent's turn! Worst case scenario is u blow ur hand removing and dissing some of ur opponent's creatures and u play him at the end of ur turn. Plus a 3/1 body is good removal bait (if u think ur other creatures are pretty important lol) another thing is that u only take 1 dmg to draw a tasigur, unlike Bob (painful AF)
April 16, 2016 1:48 p.m.
dilzzz I do like Sylvan Advocate, actually. It might be a pretty replacement. I like Skinshifter also, but it's a little inconvenient when I need to have every turn if I want to use him.
Asylum Visitor, I also have one of, just not sure what to remove to test. I think the #1 choice to cut is prolli Scavenging Ooze, but he's just so useful in so many matchups, it's hard to cut. I'll prolli test the 1-of I have sometime in the deck and see what I think. Although it would not be a replacement for Bob, because he's just downright more powerful and usually better, but the visitor could be useful to supplement.
Thanks for coming back! I'm super excited to get the Lilianas.
April 16, 2016 2:01 p.m.
You're definitely off to a good start at building jund. You might want to consider Jund Charm for the board since it is just so versatile and very few people play around the instant speed wipe. Grim Lavamancer is also a solid sb option to help against aggro as well.
April 17, 2016 1:52 p.m.
jchudz I had jund charm for a while but I felt like I already had enough sweepers and I also liked Nihil Spellbomb better for the cantrip.
Grim Lavamancer I own, but I'm just not sure it's needed. I have a ton of anti aggro cards already.
April 22, 2016 11:16 p.m.
What are your thoughts on Stormbreath Dragon over Thundermaw Hellkite? Thundermaw is good when there a lot of tokens or junk in the meta, but stormbreath is pro Path to Exile, which I feel is a lot better. It also can't be blocked by Restoration Angel or Wall of Omens, which can be pretty relevant with creatures toolbox being so popular an with U/W control becoming more popular.
Also not usually relevant in modern, but late enough in the game you can use him to punish your opponents for not having cards. Again, probably not usually relevant.
April 26, 2016 6:08 p.m.
Rigol Thanks, it's basically the best budget tarmogoyf I think.
Nixin72 I've considered stormbreath (he was my favorite theros card and I purchased one recently in case I decide to use it) but I feel like with lingering souls being one of junds nightmares and thopter combo possibly being on the rise, I like to be able to kill those. Also 5/5 vs 4/4 for the same cost.
I think if U/W/x control becomes super dominant, then stormbreath gets the nod for sure. But there's not alot of path in my meta or really any white flying creatures. Also, stormbreath is great against control, combo and other decks with large hands.
It's definitely a thought and possibly an inclusion if the meta shifts in that direction.
April 26, 2016 6:19 p.m.
Fartface31 says... #23
Very nice. I would pitch a liliana for another Kolaghan's command.
May 31, 2016 1:44 p.m.
If anything I would cut the Seal of Fire (which ironically I just cut the Kolaghan's Command #2 to test) but I may add back the k command.
Nixin72 says... #1
Sounds good :)
March 4, 2016 11:14 p.m.