Vos_Is_Boss says... #2
Answer: I have no idea, i actually took out all the Searing Spear in this deck to opt for more creature offense, but the changes were happening in my head more so that this list. Will change it now.
IN OTHER NEWS.
It appears my store has adapted to my deck, and after laying waste to nearly every deck i played against, they are all ready for me. At least, the regulars are. So I'm going to put this deck on the bench for a week or two, and playtest and tryout other ideas that I've been wanting to play.
Change the meta, mission accomplished.
February 18, 2013 8:35 a.m.
It's kind of arrogant to think you single handedly changed the meta. It can't be denied that the entire magic community is currently fond of weenie humans - the deck category that this fits into. With Boros being a major player, this deck archetype is awfully common worldwide and thus it would be wise for any player to be able to deal with it based on its emerging prevalence, not based on the comparative rarity of a few outlier decks or a deck played by a single person.
Although it's still, obviously, a good deck.
February 18, 2013 8:56 a.m.
HOWEVER, my good sir, i was successful!
I did change my local meta, I'll have you know. I can be gleefully arrogant to that fact. Do you know how it feels to have someone say "I built this deck to stop you" before you roll the die for playing first?
I creamed all boros decks, and naya aggro decks, and RDWs at my store when both decks performed well. It upset my opponents who do nothing but copy decks that win nation-wide tournaments. I opened their eyes to a new deck style in town, one that forces them to build their own deck to play around it, and not lose to it. While only marginally successful last week, they did so, knocking me out of the top 8.
Which... sucks in the end. Because now i have to play a new deck.
haha X)
February 18, 2013 9:01 a.m.
That's a funny site error. Well yes I know exactly what it feels like to have that said, and have had it occur with my current anti-Boros and my first discard deck I designed...... it's just not something I would be bold enough to claim, I suppose.
February 18, 2013 9:05 a.m.
Vos_Is_Boss says... #7
Claim away! There's no reason not to if your deck idea does what you intend to do! I might use your deck as a base point for a future deck in dealing with aggro without playing aggro myself... for once. X)
Also, its the internet. Be bold.
February 18, 2013 9:08 a.m.
I still need to work on a proper control framework for the current meta, that can address most situations, not just Boros humans. I'll be working on that with influences from my specifically anti-Boros design.
February 18, 2013 9:11 a.m.
Vos_Is_Boss says... #9
Well one thing that devastated my aggro play was Barter in Blood . The card is underrated in control, and needs to be played more. The curse deck i played last friday was really well put together with Devour Flesh too. Anything that can avoid the "save my ass" Boros Charm is incredibly powerful right now.
February 18, 2013 9:26 a.m.
You are sweet. And of course you have my respect. And yes, Vos_Is_Boss I will eat my own words and say that you did change the meta. applause
So ... uh, beat your own deck with another of your own decks? My, oh my, how only genius can defeat genius :) Based on previous comments, perhaps I need to play Devour Flesh now
February 18, 2013 10:24 a.m.
jmoody0612 says... #12
Your description of this past FNM is how my meta is normally apparently and I played against most the decks when I ran Naya Tribe that were just way better mid to late game. It's why I threw together Bro Reckoner. I went 3-1 and really should've been 4-0 but got flooded out in the first round. Right now it seems like fast is good, but steady is great.
February 18, 2013 11:29 a.m.
Vos_Is_Boss quiting on Boros now because people are devising strategies to counter your awesomeness? I can't believe it. Ok, I can see you changing things up for a week or two to throw your local meta off balance, but not to abandon the cause! Now is the time to revamp your sideboard to overcome and march to victory! So how do you drastically revamp a sideboard to counter someone who knows this deck?
There are two strategies I see that you could employ. 1. Have a range of sideboard cards that help you recover from anti-human/creature removal. 2. Create a sideboard that completely alters the mechanics of your deck.
Strategy 1 would be cards like Immortal Servitude . That's a bomb that let's you recover from all their creature hate. Sigarda, Host of Herons would completely shut down sacrifices. You already have Thalia, Guardian of Thraben there too.
Strategy 2 would be a 15 card sideboard swap that changes the deck from an extremely fast human aggro deck into something else. What could you morph your deck into after game one, say if you swapped out 15 humans to make the deck a mid-range deck? You can always throw lands in the sideboard too to fix the mana cost.
If you think the deck you're facing is solely designed to beat yours, you make a drastic switch to change your deck into something their deck can't handle. My first thought is you could morph the deck into a Gruul deck.
Say you make your sideboard:4x Domri Rade 2x Rootbound Crag 4x Ghor-Clan Rampager 2x Rubblebelt Raiders (maybe... I'm doing this fast) 3x Scorchwalker (again doing this on the fly)
and then after Game 1, you put all of that in and swap out:-3 Thatcher Revolt -4 Burning-Tree Emissary -4 Boros Elite -4 Mayor of Avabruck Flip
Ok, this is supposed to serve as an example and may not be the best choice, but my idea here is that Domri Rade gives you a card drawing engine and the other creatures almost all have bloodrush and have higher power then your humans. The bloodrush ability on top of the potential double strike either through the Boros Charm or Silverblade Paladin can be a game winner, or if you need board control they're available too especially if you can drop one paired to a lonely Lightning Mauler .
There are lots of other options, you have a wide white mana base and could go angels over the top... you have green and could exploit that to ramp, and you have red to go with direct damage.
Obviously, if you're stopping face without your sideboard you would never change. The idea is to structure your sideboard to counter a deck made just to trash your deck. Remember a deck made just to hose one deck is vulnerable to being destroyed by another. If you can significantly morph your deck through a 15 card sideboard swap, you can exploit this weakness in their strategy. Now's it just up to you to come out with the solution...
onward to victory!
February 18, 2013 3:29 p.m.
Vos_Is_Boss says... #14
HA, excellent suggestions! This is the kind of deck that shouldnt morph to counter other people's decks... it should morph to prevent OTHER decks from countering ME. I love it!
(and i was not giving up, I just have terrible Deck A.D.D. Time to try something new)
I created the fastest deck... now to create the most powerful. How do i define powerful? I have no clue. But imma do it!
I'll have to get my hands on some of the more control-y cards to provide myself with ammo, while keeping the creature count low. Maybe turn it into Frites, or even Humanimator. They are not going to predict my use of the graveyard after they see nothing but a blitz the first game. I could easily bring in some black even. Unburial Rites , card:Angel of Glory's Rise, Immortal Servitude , Faithless Looting ... Hmm...
Deck ideas... flowing.
HOWEVER.
This will have to be a test for later weeks. Because i have already commited to Mastery of Evolution. I just recently acquired all the cards i needed, so i shall not deviate.
POWER OVERWHELMING
February 18, 2013 3:50 p.m.
So you had problems with Loxodon Smiter ? I watched pro tour on the weekend and many players reminded me of a card, that I loved in my mono red some months ago.
Mizzium Mortars . Think about it! Loxodon Smiter is a 4/4 blocker for 3 mana (which is really early) and Restoration Angel is a 3/4 flyer which could also be very annoying because I found out that it's hard to deal with flyers in this kind of deck... however, Mizzium Mortars is a nice sideboard option because it kills those guys for just 1R. :)
February 18, 2013 4:54 p.m.
Vos_Is_Boss says... #16
Mizzium Mortars has come and gone in this deck so many times. Its not here now because the selesnya fad has passed, and now recently come back to combat the weenie decks. I think i might have to throw it back in now. :/ as much as i don't want to.
February 19, 2013 5:27 p.m.
jmoody0612 says... #17
I have it and Oblivion Ring in sb, Bonds of Faith in main board. Bonds of Faith = highly underrated right now.
February 19, 2013 5:30 p.m.
Vos_Is_Boss says... #18
Yes.
Its still a close debate for me. I like to go all out and try to win asap... but when i look at Bonds of Faith , there is that strength... but it can be blocked. With Volcanic Strength , i can get through to them and deal the winning damage.
However.
Volcanic Strength cannot stop their bomb from killing me. Bonds of Faith could pacify their final blocker to swing the team in for the win too, or prevent their bomb from doing lethal. cough Thundermaw Hellkite
Bonds of Faith is technically better. In those regards. However... as bursty as i am, the only thing i need to worry about swinging into is a Boros Reckoner . So, my reasoning, and my studies from playing in tournaments... If they are going to play Boros Reckoner in their deck... they ARE going to have a mountain. In which case, i want that extra unblockable damage every turn.
February 19, 2013 5:35 p.m.
boomtownblues says... #19
Interesting deck, been tinkering with Gruul human aggro with my Gruul's Night Out deck. Didn't want to add white mostly due to money and I'm not much of a white player.
It seems that aggro's big problem in general is that if you don't win early you don't win at all. Do you bank on Volcanic Strength and card:Nightbird's Clutches for that little bit of evasion you need against decks that survive a little longer?
February 19, 2013 5:37 p.m.
Vos_Is_Boss says... #20
Yeah pretty much, with all the creatures being added to counter aggro, like Boros Reckoner and Loxodon Smiter , the dodge has given me wins more than not. card:Nightbird's Clutches (plus flashback) is something nobody sees played and is awesome. Its not the greatest card, but it allows your double strike, or bloodrushed, dude to get in for that lethal blow.
I suggest trying it :D
Oh, and i dont BANK on them, per se, but they do help when i'm in a bind.
February 19, 2013 5:43 p.m.
boomtownblues says... #21
I've been a big fan of red evasion for a while, it's good to see someone else appreciates it! It's especially useful for when people have Boros Reckoner s sitting on the defense bench.
Opinion about Pyreheart Wolf ? Too slow?
February 19, 2013 6 p.m.
Vos_Is_Boss says... #22
For this deck, yes, plus, Thatcher Revolt has WAY more juice on that turn 3 than Pyreheart Wolf every will. If they only have a few creatures on the defense, I've already won, and dodging at that point is irrelevant. On average, i win on turn 4. The deck is pretty consistent, and i would have to remove some of that consistency on turn 3 to find a home for the wolf.
So i opt not to use him :/
He is pretty tho :)
February 19, 2013 6:07 p.m.
It looks like the deck is finally evolved into it's final form with the exception of your sideboard because I am sure that will change frequently based on what everyone is playing from week to week. I was curious about your opinion on Ghor-Clan Rampager this card definitely fits in your theme of being fast since you play the bloodrush cost of a GR for +4/+4 and trample. Ever think about putting that in your sideboard in place of Huntmaster of the Fells Flip ? Against what matchups do you tend to sideboard in the huntmaster? Also, it really sucks that Boros Reckoner has jumped so much in price because I wanted to get that card, but I guess I will just have to make due until I can get lucky with snagging a play set.
February 19, 2013 6:46 p.m.
Vos_Is_Boss says... #24
Ghor-Clan Rampager is my favorite gruul card thus far, even more so than Burning-Tree Emissary . I have considered it... but Huntmaster of the Fells Flip is so powerful against the control decks i play against. I don't think i could.
I can see how the +4/+4 trample effect could be another win con, and for only 2 mana, it could be easily managed, and used correctly. Thanks for the reminder :D
February 20, 2013 9:16 a.m.
If you are worried about control then you can just chuck in Rootborn Defenses and card:Ranger's Guile. Give your creatures hexproof or indestructible and they can't do much. card:Ranger's Guile is like a one cost counter to two and three cost insta-kills. Although there is always Devour Flesh but then you can bring in Sigarda, Host of Herons
Aturos says... #1
Question: Why do you run only 1 Searing Spear ? If you don't really need it why don't you remove it for 1 more Volcanic Strength ?
February 16, 2013 4:03 p.m.