The Principle of Evil

Standard* Karnage

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Karnage says... #1

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I have 3 painlands in there for deck thinning, but only 3 because that's how much I actually have, and don't feel like buying more because they will cycle out soon.

July 26, 2011 2:52 a.m.

mossflower says... #2

This actually looks pretty solid now. Note: control decks don't normally want to thin out their land. For example, the U/W control mirror is often decided by who manages to get their land drops the most. Of course, this doesn't apply as much to MBC since the lands aren't a win-con, but you still really want your land drops. The painlands just don't make sense. Also, Contaminated Ground is a good start, but I would also mainboard some Tectonic Edge to deal with Valakut.

Next time you go to FNM, take note of all the decks you see, and try to figure out what similarities you see to try to figure out the appropriate card choices for our meta. For example, if you see a lot of people running a Tempered Steel deck, then Go for the Throat doesn't really belong anymore. Likewise if there are lot of other people running their own MBC for Doom Blade .

July 28, 2011 12:22 a.m.

deadmanwalking says... #3

looks pretty solid. not much to say about this one. Contaminated Ground and Evil Presence both can deal with Valakut fairly well. I think that you'd be better off not mainboarding Tectonic Edge , although that depends how often you play against Valakut in your meta.

July 31, 2011 3:03 a.m.

Epochalyptik says... #4

I have 2 Tectonic Edge s mained in my UB Type-II deck Kill Order, and they are the only lands which cannot produce black. I rarely miss the opportunity to play a Phyrexian Obliterator because of it (maybe two times in the past 25 games). Even when I do, I make up for it by using the mana on other spells while I wait to line up the quad-black.

I think Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief is kind of sub-par considering both her cost and the number of mainboarded kill spells you have.

Speaking of kill spells, I also main 8, and 2x Mimic Vat in the mainboard can definitely make your board more threatening. I've killed my own Obliterators and Grave Titan s before so I could vat them in turn after turn and pummel through the defense.

I think you might be better off swapping two of the Ratchet Bomb s with card:Black Sun's Zeniths. The Zeniths are helpful because they can kill a wide range of things in one pass (they can kill a Joraga Treespeaker , Lotus Cobra , and Melira, Sylvok Outcast all at once, to use my most recent experience) rather than being CMC-dependent.

Overall, I like it. +1

July 31, 2011 3:21 a.m.

theemptyquiver says... #5

I'm waiting now for someone to make the deck:The Principal of Evil MBC.

You know. Because it would be funny...

July 31, 2011 5:09 a.m.

Karnage says... #6

Well I just changed my deck name to that so no one else can >:(

If someone can help me decide on the deck changes mentioned in the description I would be much obliged, thanks !

July 31, 2011 5:31 a.m.

Dragon564 says... #7

I would go up to 4 dismember switch kalastria for liliana and persecutor for another Titan

August 1, 2011 8:27 a.m.

Karnage says... #8

I decreased Dismember from 4 to 3 and upped Go for the Throat to 3 because of Abyssal Persecutor . I decreased Phyrexian Obliterator from 4 to 3 to put in the persecutor, so if I removed the persecutor I would just up the obliterator as they are both 4 drops.

Switching Drana for Liliana Vess is something I've been thinking about as well, but I don't know for sure without playtesting.

Thanks for the comment!

August 1, 2011 9:59 a.m.

Epochalyptik says... #9

I can tell you already that Liliana will be more useful. She's a 1-of in my control deck, but she makes a large impact on the field. You immediately tutor up your most pertinent card, and then she either draws heat away from you as your opponent moves to kill her, or she gives you another tutor.

August 1, 2011 11:46 a.m.

Wakleon says... #10

I think Liliana Vess would work well in this deck. Because you're not running more ETB creatures, I'd keep it at 2 Vampire Nighthawk and 2 Mimic Vat . And in this deck, Consume the Meek because you have very few creatures with a CMC less than 3. +1

August 1, 2011 2:27 p.m.

Karnage says... #11

Thanks for the input guys, as per the recommendations, I've replaced Drana with Liliana Vess . I really do like Consume the Meek but since its a 5 drop, I'm not sure if it would help me when I really need to cut down my opponent's aggro.

August 3, 2011 9:32 a.m.

Karnage says... #12

Also, I'm not completely sure about replacing my 2 Doom Blade s for 2 card:Black Sun's Zenith but I think I made a good choice~

August 3, 2011 9:33 a.m.

senhor114 says... #13

Good solid deck. Here are my comments. seeing how a lot more creatures have hex proof in the new set, i would def run 4 black sun's zenith, take the 2 despise out for 2 more distress' since they can't be countered by a mental misstep. I would run 4 Lashwrithes. Take out the grave titan for another wurmcoil I find it better even though you don't get the tokens. Def sideboard Geth's Verdict, I find it really handy. Question for you. When things rotate out how are you going to adjust your deck?

+1

August 3, 2011 9:42 a.m.

Cableguy says... #14

use:

1 black sun

1 consume the meek (kills tempered steel when you dont have doom blades)

use less hand discard like 4 inquisition and 2 durress (or despise)

that frees up 2 spots for more removal or honestly with your high mana base a sphere of the suns or chalice to drop your bombs a turn quicker.

August 3, 2011 9:46 a.m.

Karnage says... #15

@senhor114 Thanks for the comment. I agree a lot more creatures have hexproof, but that doesn't necessarily mean a lot of people would be using them. As mentioned in my description, I'm on vacation so internet is scarce and playtesting my deck against others is impossible. Once I get back, if I find that 4 card:Black Sun's Zenith would be useful then I will make that change. But it's not something I'd want to do without playtesting first. As for what I'm going to do post-rotation, I can't say until the new block comes out on October 1st. But we can def compare when the time comes.I'm not running 4 Lashwrithe because I have 2 Tectonic Edge s in there and while Lashwrithe is really good as a equipment, it doesn't have the same finality as a Grave Titan . Also, I find Grave Titan better than Wurmcoil Engine because of the tokens it brings along so it's more of a finisher while the wurmcoil has lifelink and can be incredibly pesky to deal with as well as being Go for the Throat proof. So I like each of them as a 1 of. As for taking out my Despise for more Distress , that's something I'll have to think about.

August 3, 2011 11:48 a.m.

Karnage says... #16

@Cableguy I appreciate the input and have made changes accordingly. But I rather like my dedicated discard and I feel like they can really cripple my opponent if he has any clutch spells up his sleeve, not to mention how well Surgical Extraction would work. Think of my discard as 'pre-emptive removal'.

Sphere of the Suns and Everflowing Chalice , are both interesting choices and I'll have to think about it. If I did decide to put one of those in, however. I think I would go with Everflowing Chalice and then I would take out Vengeful Pharaoh to put Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief back in.

August 3, 2011 11:55 a.m.

mossflower says... #17

Abyssal Persecutor is fun, but with only 4 cards that can get rid of it, I'd say he's too much of a risk . That slot is better served with another swamp. Yeah, 25 lands is probably where you want to be.

August 3, 2011 10:29 p.m.

mossflower says... #18

BTW, you asked me to explain the concept of card advantage; I'm not sure I did too good a job, so here's a professional article on it:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/60

It's pretty much the backbone of a control deck, so there you go.

August 3, 2011 11:18 p.m.

I'm still not a fan of Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief . I think you'd be better off forgetting about her entirely and maining another kill spell in her place. The kill spell will be cheaper, faster, and less likely to be stopped.

August 3, 2011 11:52 p.m.

cool deck, rated. even if its a little steep for me :P

August 4, 2011 12:11 a.m.

BaldVader says... #21

Maybe you could sneak in a couple, 3 Druidic Satchel for getting some land in and/or blockers out quicker. I think this card fits perfectly in your setup here. A quick goblin or white weenie deck has a semi-decent chance of getting started on you despite having a bunch discard cards in your deck. You can only get so many early on. Mabybe consider Evil Presence in your sideboard to slow that up (& Valakut) as well.

I know you've got 3 Extractions in here & the discards, but I still think you need some small defense creatures or card/land draw to protect you early. Where I play, black discard control is very popular, so I (& most others who don't use black) sideboard pretty heavily against it & play with speedier decks to counter it (Leak, Mistep, etc.).

Lastly, I think your planeswalker should be Sorin. That's for two reasons: 1) The life drop to 10 or gainer can even things up or close the gap if you fell behind a quick deck & 2) You should run it now & practice up because Vess only has about 7 more weeks before cycling. Speaking of which, when Inquisition & the Vampire cycle out, you should consider a Tumble Magnet /Royal Assassin combo for extra control.

August 4, 2011 3:20 a.m.

Karnage says... #22

Replaced Abyssal Persecutor for an additional swamp as per mossflower's suggestion. Thanks~

August 4, 2011 3:25 a.m.

Karnage says... #23

@StagingtheUniverse thanks man!

@BaldVader Druidic Satchel is good if I'm worried about fast weenie aggro, otherwise there are better cards, if my local meta plays that way then yes there's a good chance it will get some playtime in my deck or perhaps the sideboard. Meanwhile, I'm adding that to my maybeboard.As for Evil Presence , I have Contaminated Ground in my sideboard. While Evil Presence is only a 1 drop, they can still use that generic mana so if I don't use it early on, then it could very well just be a useless card while Contaminated Ground will hurt whenever. Perhaps I will replace Contaminated Ground with Evil Presence post-rotation.It's true mistep and such sideboarded cards can be annoying against me, that's all it is: annoying. They still have to find a way to win and I think my deck does a pretty good job of disabling win-cons.I like Tumble Magnet /Royal Assassin but I want to stick to a polished mana curve and I don't know if I'd be able to put both in there. Atm, I'm thinking of replacing Vampire Nighthawk with either Phyrexian Metamorph or Royal Assassin . What do you think? Phyrexian Metamorph can turn into one of their good creatures or even copy one of mine, while Royal Assassin will be good for delaying them and creature assassination.

August 4, 2011 3:40 a.m.

Your deck looks very nice, i have also a lot of black decks and its my favorite magiccolor.

+1 from me

August 4, 2011 5:23 a.m.

ApexPredator says... #25

Looks real solid to be honest. The only thing that bugs me personally is that there is no creatures until turn 3. Since the lowest drop is 3 mana.

Otherwise great looking deck.

August 4, 2011 8:18 a.m.

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